Hi to all¡¡
Some of us, like me, had been using and developing (scheduling
module&reporting, specialized Rheumatology EH,among some) over care2x
through the last ten years; but always the problem have been the community
disorder and disconnection.
The business model observation coming from Latorilla, must be considered,
first because him, like a pioneer, must have now enough experience to know
exactly what was the big mistake at the "beginning of the times", and
secondly, his proposal doesn't exclude the Tim's proposition to continue
developing, but it must be done with a so clear business project model and
vision to guarantee the future healthy of care2x in terms of resources
availability.
We must consider too, to reinvite a Mr. Latorilla and R. Mengele to
reunite again to get or add the the biggest power of a so experienced
managerial community to lead this current initiative¡¡
Then, if possible to regenerate some reorganization with this second wave
of fresh air, we. Analitica-MD will be prone to work with so big enthusiasm.
Waiting for this relaunch, yours
Jorge Cardona G, MD, MBA
Analitica.MD
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> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 19:30:40 +0100
> From: "t...@weberpafrica.com" <t...@weberpafrica.com>
> Subject: Re: [Care2002-developers] The status and future of Care2x
> To: Alejandro de Garate <alejandro_degar...@yahoo.com>, Care2x
> Developers <care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net>
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> Hi Alejandro,
>
> I agree with most of your email, but the "tuning" required is no small
> job and getting bigger all the time. This is why I am saying a
> decision needs to be taken whether the project wants to continue.
>
> Are you volunteering to help with the work?
>
> Tim
>
> On 23 September 2014 18:50, Alejandro de Garate
> <alejandro_degar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > As I said previously, there past some time that I do not follow closely
> > Care2x.
> >
> > After reading the Tim's email...
> >
> > From my experience in another sourceforge project, there are different
> > possibilities
> > and none exclusionary.
> >
> > Some stages could be:
> >
> > 1a) The first is to tune the latest version that works (ie: care2014).
> > (This requires commitment from all members of Care2x)
> >
> > 1b) Post (publish) this version as stable
> >
> > 1c) only make bug fixes in this version or delayed comit additions
> > Enable the automatic publication as nightly (every night) to access the
> > latest
> > changes/bug fixes.
> >
> > 2a) Simultaneously do a fork over to the new version which will carry the
> > major changes.
> > (Here I would like to propose real modularization of the project)
> > This will help you get the best possible module even if belonging to
> another
> > external project
> >
> > 2b) Continue with bug fixes to regain functionality like (care2014)
> >
> > 3) Reevaluate what has been done.
> >
> > regards
> > ---
> > Alejandro
> >
> >
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> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 19:31:08 +0100
> From: "t...@weberpafrica.com" <t...@weberpafrica.com>
> Subject: Re: [Care2002-developers] The status and future of Care2x
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> I think without an active project creating any business model would be
> an act of extreme futility. It is possible to make money from an
> active open source project in different ways, but first get an active
> project :-)
>
> On 23 September 2014 17:59, Elpidio Latorilla
> <elpidio.latori...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > perhaps the business model needs to be changed first... regards.
> >
> > On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 11:36 AM, t...@weberpafrica.com
> > <t...@weberpafrica.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Mauri,
> >>
> >> Thanks for your reply, and I hope all is well with you and your wife.
> >>
> >> I agree that there is definitely a need for this software, and as I
> >> said in my email care2x is definitely the most feature rich of the
> >> HIS. However my experience is that nobody will fund what appears to be
> >> a dead project.
> >>
> >> We need to show signs of an active project first.
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Tim
> >>
> >> On 23 September 2014 15:33, Mauri Niemi <mauri.ni...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Hi Tim,
> >> >
> >> > We had plans two years ago to update the whole source code but the
> plans
> >> > were changed after we left Tanzania. Last year we looked funding from
> >> > Finnish government for another project, but it was not accepted and we
> >> > sent
> >> > another application and decision will be made end of this year. If
> that
> >> > will
> >> > be rejected then it is all up to you volunteers if you want to work on
> >> > the
> >> > code.
> >> > I believe there is need for this kind of software specially in
> countries
> >> > which cannot afford to invest in much more expensive commercial
> >> > software.
> >> >
> >> > Mauri
> >> >
> >> > 2014-09-23 14:24 GMT+03:00 t...@weberpafrica.com <t...@weberpafrica.com
> >:
> >> >>
> >> >> The recent emails regarding care2x in Argentina, and the low level of
> >> >> response reminded me that I have been meaning to send this email for
> >> >> sometime.
> >> >>
> >> >> Having spoken to some Universities recently the general opinion seems
> >> >> to be that Care2x rates very highly amongst open source HIS in terms
> >> >> of the amount of functionality, but most people tell me they believe
> >> >> the project to be dead.
> >> >>
> >> >> Is this true?
> >> >>
> >> >> I know Moye and others are working on the East African branch, that
> >> >> Gjergj is working with Albanian hospitals, and Robert is working in
> >> >> Germany but in overall project terms activity is very low. Emails to
> >> >> this mailing list rarely get answered, and the web site has not been
> >> >> updated in a long time.
> >> >>
> >> >> There has been intermittent discussions for many years about a
> rewrite
> >> >> from scratch but I do not see any progress on this and I think if it
> >> >> was going to be achieved it would be - Sorry if that sounds harsh but
> >> >> as can be seen here
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>
> http://sourceforge.net/p/care2002/mailman/care2002-developers/?style=flat&viewmonth=200803&viewday=8
> >> >> this is a very very old topic in care2x.
> >> >>
> >> >> That leaves taking the current code and moving it on. This is a big
> >> >> job as PHP/mysql has moved on a long way and a lot of stuff that
> >> >> existing care2x depends on is now deprecated and even removed. If you
> >> >> don't believe me set error_reporting to -1 and set display_errors to
> >> >> On in PHP and then try using Care2x. I tried sending emails to the
> >> >> list a few months ago to try and generate discussion and help on
> these
> >> >> issues but got very few replies and even less help. Just getting it
> >> >> working with PHP 5.5 would be a time consuming job that requires a
> >> >> dedicated group of people. The work is not that tough, but there is a
> >> >> lot and is too much for one person.
> >> >>
> >> >> So what do people see as the future of Care2x? Is there a group of
> >> >> people interested in working on bringing the current code up to
> >> >> scratch?
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks
> >> >> Tim
> >> >>
> >> >> --
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> >> >> Blog: http://weberpafrica.blogspot.co.uk/
> >> >>
> >> >>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 14:29:35 -0700
> From: Alejandro de Garate <alejandro_degar...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Care2002-developers] The status and future of Care2x
> To: "care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net"
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> >Hi Alejandro,
> >
> >I agree with most of your email, but the "tuning" required is no small
> >job and getting bigger all the time. This is why I am saying a
> >decision needs to be taken whether the project wants to continue.
> >
> >Are you volunteering to help with the work?
> >Tim
>
> I don't know what is the level of usability of care2x, but...
>
> If none of developers "can tune" care2x to make it work...
> What can I do ?
>
> ---
> Alejandro
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> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 13:43:14 +0100
> From: "t...@weberpafrica.com" <t...@weberpafrica.com>
> Subject: Re: [Care2002-developers] The status and future of Care2x
> To: Alejandro de Garate <alejandro_degar...@yahoo.com>, Care2x
> Developers <care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net>
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> Hi Alejandro, I don't think it is a lack of people who "can tune" it
> so much as a lack of developers with the time and inclination to do
> so. This is why I was asking for volunteers :-)
>
> Tim
>
> On 23 September 2014 22:29, Alejandro de Garate
> <alejandro_degar...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>Hi Alejandro,
> >>
> >>I agree with most of your email, but the "tuning" required is no small
> >>job and getting bigger all the time. This is why I am saying a
> >>decision needs to be taken whether the project wants to continue.
> >>
> >>Are you volunteering to help with the work?
> >>Tim
> >
> > I don't know what is the level of usability of care2x, but...
> >
> > If none of developers "can tune" care2x to make it work...
> > What can I do ?
> >
> > ---
> > Alejandro
> >
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> Message: 5
> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 14:21:17 -0700
> From: Alejandro de Garate <alejandro_degar...@yahoo.com>
> Subject: [Care2002-developers] The status and future of Care2x
> To: "care2002-developers@lists.sourceforge.net"
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> >Hi Alejandro, I don't think it is a lack of people who "can tune" it
> >so much as a lack of developers with the time and inclination to do
> >so. This is why I was asking for volunteers :-)
> >
> >Tim
>
> Suppose I can give some help...
>
> According to the developer's info from sourceforge: there are 7 admin and
> 102 developers so I suppose you guys already have enough developers.
>
> If so many developers do not contribute to the project, I think there are
> other problem more important than the number of developers in itself.
>
> Maybe all of you have to make a self-criticism, why the project Care2x is
> in the current situation and assess what has been done wrong before seeking
> for outside help.
>
> Moreover, notes that despite the importance of what we are chatting, few
> people bothered to join this thread.
>
> regards
> ---
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