> Subject: Sections and MRIs
> From: "Peter L. Carras" <pcarr...@pitt.edu>
> Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:43:04 -0400
> To: caret-users@brainvis.wustl.edu
>
> To: caret-users@brainvis.wustl.edu
>
>
> Hello,
>
> I recently started using CARET (v5.61).  I have had some success, but
> also a few questions that do not seem to be covered in the tutorials.
> We have macaque brains with both MRI images and histological
> sections.  The layer four contours for the sections of a left frontal
> cortex were traced in MDPlot.  I have successfully imported the
> contours into CARET, along with the labeled neurons found in each
> section, and saved them as a spec file.  I also opened the MRI image
> of the whole head in CARET, segmented it, and saved the left cortical
> surface as another spec file.
>
> Q 1 - Is it possible to display the labeled neurons from the section
> data on the MRI image of the complete cortex?  If so, how would I go
> about doing this?  The histological sections were cut in the coronal
> plane, and extend caudally only to the posterior commissure.
> Q 2 - When the contours were originally drawn, successive sections
> were aligned on the dorsal-medial boundary of each section.  The
> cortical fiducial surface as reconstructed by CARET is therefore
> somewhat distorted - the sulci are visible but the dorsal edge of the
> medial wall is flat rather than curved.  Will this cause the labeled
> neurons to appear in incorrect locations when they are displayed on
> the MRI-based surface?  If so, can you suggest a way to correct the
> surface (short of re-tracing all 390 sections)?
>
> Q 3 - The SureFit segmentation algorithms were unable to successfully
> operate on the MRI image, even when I tried varying the default gray
> matter and white matter peak values.   Typically, the  program stopped
> and reported an error in the eye fat segmentation step, or an error in
> hindbrain segmentation.  When I de-selected those steps, CARET crashed
> when determining layer 4 or filling the ventricles. I ended up
> segmenting most of the brain manually.  Do you have advice on how to
> increase the likelihood that SureFit will succeed in segmenting a
> macaque MRI image?  The MPRAGE scan was done on a 3T Siemens Allegra
> scanner with 0.7 mm isotropic voxels, and was rotated in CARET to LPI
> orientation.
>
> Q 4 - Is it possible within CARET to convert the map of labeled
> neurons (shown as contour cells on the fiducial surface) to a map of
> cell density?
>
> Q 5 - In addition to the data on macaques, we also have anatomical and
> MRI data from new world monkeys (Cebus apella).  Do you anticipate
> adding Cebus to the list of species in the Metadata category?
>
>
>
> Your advice or assistance would be much appreciated.
>
> Sincerely,
> Peter Carras
>

-- 
Peter L. Carras, Ph.D.
 Systems Neuroscience Institute
  University of Pittsburgh

Hello,

Earlier today I subscribed to the CARET users mailing list, 
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My original query is appended below.  Could you send it to the list for me?

Thanks,
Peter Carras




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Subject:
Sections and MRIs
From:
"Peter L. Carras" <pcarr...@pitt.edu>
Date:
Fri, 26 Jun 2009 18:43:04 -0400
To:
caret-users@brainvis.wustl.edu
To:
caret-users@brainvis.wustl.edu

Hello,

I recently started using CARET (v5.61).  I have had some success, but also a few questions that do not seem to be covered in the tutorials.  We have macaque brains with both MRI images and histological sections.  The layer four contours for the sections of a left frontal cortex were traced in MDPlot.  I have successfully imported the contours into CARET, along with the labeled neurons found in each section, and saved them as a spec file.  I also opened the MRI image of the whole head in CARET, segmented it, and saved the left cortical surface as another spec file.

Q 1 - Is it possible to display the labeled neurons from the section data on the MRI image of the complete cortex?  If so, how would I go about doing this?  The histological sections were cut in the coronal plane, and extend caudally only to the posterior commissure.
Q 2 - When the contours were originally drawn, successive sections were aligned on the dorsal-medial boundary of each section.  The cortical fiducial surface as reconstructed by CARET is therefore somewhat distorted - the sulci are visible but the dorsal edge of the medial wall is flat rather than curved.  Will this cause the labeled neurons to appear in incorrect locations when they are displayed on the MRI-based surface?  If so, can you suggest a way to correct the surface (short of re-tracing all 390 sections)?

Q 3 - The SureFit segmentation algorithms were unable to successfully operate on the MRI image, even when I tried varying the default gray matter and white matter peak values.   Typically, the  program stopped and reported an error in the eye fat segmentation step, or an error in hindbrain segmentation.  When I de-selected those steps, CARET crashed when determining layer 4 or filling the ventricles. I ended up segmenting most of the brain manually.  Do you have advice on how to increase the likelihood that SureFit will succeed in segmenting a macaque MRI image?  The MPRAGE scan was done on a 3T Siemens Allegra scanner with 0.7 mm isotropic voxels, and was rotated in CARET to LPI orientation.

Q 4 - Is it possible within CARET to convert the map of labeled neurons (shown as contour cells on the fiducial surface) to a map of cell density?

Q 5 - In addition to the data on macaques, we also have anatomical and MRI data from new world monkeys (Cebus apella).  Do you anticipate adding Cebus to the list of species in the Metadata category?



Your advice or assistance would be much appreciated.

Sincerely,
Peter Carras


-- 
Peter L. Carras, Ph.D.
 Systems Neuroscience Institute
  University of Pittsburgh
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