Hi,

The impacts are not completely clear to me, but it feels right to have a
better split between PGT and TGT.

Going further on this, I was thinking about the meaning of the PGT:
wouldn't it be better to return PGT / PT for the REST protocol instead of
TGT / ST?

Thanks.
Best regards,


Jérôme LELEU
Founder of CAS in the cloud: www.casinthecloud.com | Twitter: @leleuj
Chairman of CAS: www.jasig.org/cas | Creator of pac4j: www.pac4j.org

2014-12-24 4:38 GMT+01:00 Misagh Moayyed <mmoay...@unicon.net>:

> Mods to the service interface make good sense to me. Not sure we could
> introduce those without breaking compatibility for 4.1, could we? Record
> them for now for v5?
>
> On the subject of timeouts, I think it makes sense of both the TGT and PGT
> to be tied together by default. We should however consider how a PGT can be
> created without a present TGT and what it would impact in the code to
> create one without the other. It looks like, looking at STImpl and TGTImpl,
> that the parent TGT for a PGT can become nil with ease, but we need to get
> a prototype together to see what the ramifications are. If it can be done
> with no hassle, we should consider exposing options so the PGT can live on.
> Another option would be to simply update the TGT timestamp so we bypass the
> inactivity period.
>
> Also, PGT/PT ticket ids are actually explicit now:
> https://github.com/Jasig/cas/pull/452
>
> > On Dec 23, 2014, at 12:31 PM, William G. Thompson, Jr. <wgt...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > This is a good move.  As you point out it should help with readability
> > and make it easier to reason about the code in the context of the
> > protocol spec....ubiquitous language as it were.
> >
> > http://martinfowler.com/bliki/UbiquitousLanguage.html
> >
> > It is probably worth considering what this change would mean to the
> > CAS service interface as well.  Should it have analogous PGT/PT
> > methods?
> > * grantProxyTicket()
> > * validateProxyTicket()
> > * delegate(or create)ProxyGrantingTicket()
> > * destroyProxyGrantingTicket()
> >
> > Also a good time to think about how the TGT timeouts and user
> > initiated logout interact with PGTs.
> >
> > User logs to portal via CAS.  Portal obtains a PGT.  User initiated
> > logout (or TGT timeout) kills TGT while portal session remains valid.
> > What is/should be the state of the PGT?  What happens when PGT itself
> > times-out, but app/portal session still valid? etc...
> >
> > Small issuer...but it is probably also worth considering
> > re-introducing PGT/PT into the ticket IDs.  Currently they all get ST
> > or TGT regardless of the type of ticket.
> >
> > Best,
> > Bill
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 11:24 PM, Misagh Moayyed <mmoay...@unicon.net>
> wrote:
> >> Team,
> >> Among some of the design ideas that were brought up recently on cas-dev
> to
> >> reduce complexity, I think it was Bill who proposed separating PGTs and
> PTs
> >> conceptually from their counterparts so that not only they are made more
> >> visible in terms of cas protocol terminology, but also, I think the
> divorce
> >> would allow us to create separate expiration policies for PGTs.
> Something
> >> for which we currently have an outstanding request [1][2]. It seems like
> >> this is something we can do easily without breaking changes, not
> entirely
> >> sure there. I have done a cursor code review and it looks like something
> >> that we can achieve for 4.1 in the interest of making progress via
> >> incremental improvements.
> >>
> >> So, I suppose there would need to be:
> >>
> >> A ProxyGrantingTicket class, a specialized version of
> TicketGrantingTicket
> >> A ProxyTicket class, a specialized version of ServiceTicket
> >> Mods to CASImpl and ServiceTickets to return and delegate to the above
> >> components
> >> CASImpl would then be able to carry an extra expiration policy that
> would be
> >> fitted for PGTs
> >>
> >>
> >> Logically, it makes sense to me that 1-3 would be in one change block
> and 4
> >> would be in another. It’s also possible that we do just 4 but that just
> >> feels a bit too queasy. So before switching gears to work on this I
> thought
> >> I’d share and ask if everyone agrees with this proposal and whether we
> can
> >> move forward. Is this agreeable?
> >>
> >> Misagh
> >>
> >> [1] https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/jasig-cas-dev/ybQcp5RsYFw
> >> [2] https://github.com/Jasig/cas/issues/503
> >>
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