Ian,
I'm not a web developer, so I am even less in a position to make
opinionated statements here, but you more or less
summarized how I feel about this.
Quick search on google, returned that on Java there are at least 20 MVC
frameworks in use
There are even more in Ruby land, similar in PHP. Why are we setting on
having just a handful in .NET space?
I know that .NET is different because everything resolves around
Microsoft, but as EF/l2s didn't made NHibernate and other ORMs disappear
I think it's much to early to make decisions like this. Let's not throw
the baby out with the water.
Krzysztof
On 2010-01-19 19:11, Ian Cooper wrote:
On Jan 19, 4:36 pm, Ken Egozi<[email protected]> wrote:
and if MVC was brought up - I'd like to raise the question:
do we actually need MR to continue as a full framework, or did MVC with
version 2 became good enough as a basis for web development, and MR can work
as an added value package, (much like mvc-contrib, or even be an addition to
mvc-contrib)
I think we are at an intesting point for MR. Sure one option is to
decide that ASP.NET MVC is good enough to make further investment in
Monorail lack value. However I do recgonize that I don't contribute
but just use Monorail, so it's perhaps a little unfair of me to ask
you to commit time if you feel that MVC is now a solved problem and
time would be better spent elsewhere.
Yet at the same time other projects such as FubuMVC spring up because
of percieved weaknesses with MVC. The question for me would be could
Monorail like FubuMVC and take a more opiononated path. If the goal is
no longer simply to be the default MVC framework for .NET developers,
then surely the goal becomes to be an alternative framework for .NET
developers that makes different choices. You might have more freedom
about the choices you make if you no longer decide to appeal to all
MVC framework users, but instead those dissatisfied with ASP.NET MVC.
In other words what is your unique selling point?
I think it is a shame that that new ideas from FubuMVC did not just
play back into Monorail giving the community more focus. Perhaps the
two projects should think about combining in some way?
I also think it is inevitable that all the frameworks will compete.
That may not be unhealthy if it results in better software.
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