Yeah, that's much cleaner than what we have now, I agree.

About donjon, there was a discussion about migrating back to Jira:
http://groups.google.com/group/castle-project-devel/browse_thread/thread/e16f1a497821a707/6cfcf3a7c432ab44
http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg07514.html
http://groups.google.com/group/castle-project-devel/browse_thread/thread/4f0f69a2f6bafa40/d6abf5d971c0bc87

but it failed for some reason (I didn't follow that thread very
closely)

With the ad I was trying to get new users. Some (very few) of those
users might eventually become developers.

Can you copy your message to a new uservoice suggestion? Otherwise
this will be lost and forgotten.

Cheers,
Mauricio

On Mar 15, 9:05 pm, Julian Birch <[email protected]> wrote:
> Here's a work slate:  http://llvm.org/OpenProjects.html.  Something a little
> more structured would be even better:
>
>    - Quick description
>    - Links to discussions &c
>    - Who to talk to if you're interested in working on it.
>
> Take a look at the language it uses; the page is an advert.  If you want to
> target user-devs, you don't want to be using stackoverflow, you want to be
> using the Castle website.   And no, I really don't think the issue tracker
> is enough.  A casual browser (and everyone starts off that way) can't even
> look at it without registering.  Then he'll discover it's completely
> non-standard (I know why, but it's still friction).  Then when he finally
> succeeds in drilling down, he'll find that the recent versions aren't even
> registered in the tracker.  It may be useful to a committer, but it's not
> going to make any sense to a first time visitor.
>
> I know it keeps coming up, but the website isn't really designed with a
> visitor in mind.  I know it's not intentional, but the whole experience
> gives the impression of friction and neglect.  Example:  The current website
> has a link called "Get Involved" two levels deep.  It's not that easy to
> find, and then it leads to the subversion repositories.  A published roadmap
> would help as well.  At the moment, I can find out that the version of Core
> that comes after 1.2 will be called 1.3, but not what will change.  Even
> seriously big ticket items such as "it's being merged with DynamicProxy" are
> nowhere on the site.
>
> Ultimately, I'm not sure what the ad thing is hoping to achieve.
>
> J
>
> On 15 March 2010 18:27, Mauricio Scheffer <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>
>
> > Not sure what you mean by "a work slate, with compartmentalized
> > sections"... isn't the issue tracker enough? That's what most open
> > source projects have as the main work collaboration tool. Or maybe you
> > mean posting UserVoice content directly on the site?
>
> > Honestly, I don't expect developers to see the ad and think "hey this
> > Castle thing looks like a cool project, I wonder what I can do for
> > them". They probably want to become users first. In fact I originally
> > thought the catch-phrase to target user-devs, not dev-devs, but
> > stackoverflow specifically wants ads to ask for collaborators.
> > Developers that are Castle users already know where to find us, so IMO
> > they don't really belong to the target of the ad.
>
> > Anyway there's still time to change things, the ad isn't on the list
> > yet:http://rads.stackoverflow.com/ossads/all
>
> > Cheers,
> > Mauricio
>
> > On Mar 15, 2:09 pm, Julian Birch <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > Not to rain on the parade, but if the ad works, it's going to attract
> > > outside
> > > developers.  The first thing they'll ask for is a work slate, with
> > > compartmentalized sections they
> > > can take.  We should really have something published on the site (and
> > yes,
> > > I'm aware of UserVoice).  Otherwise the ad's going to be useless.
>
> > > Julian.
>
> > > On 15 March 2010 14:56, James Curran <[email protected]> wrote:
>
> > > > And we seem to be one of the fastest rising ad.  We're up to 20 votes
> > > > now, and of the 30 or so ads posted in the last six weeks, only
> > > > Python, NotePad++, and SQLite (nice company) are ahead of us.   (The
> > > > original call for ads was posted over 3 months ago, so we have a ways
> > > > to go to approach some of the early ones, but with 3 more votes, we
> > > > move onto the first page of the question)
>
> > > > Truth,
> > > >    James
>
> > > > On Thu, Mar 11, 2010 at 3:17 PM, Mauricio Scheffer
> > > > <[email protected]> wrote:
> > > > > I posted this one on meta.stackoverflow.com:http://bit.ly/9eNHig
> > > > > It needs at least 6 votes to show up on the website.
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