If we could find a way to tension a wire up near its breaking strength to validate it and its terminals were still good you wouldn’t want to be any where near it.

 

While the full test load a 34’ long 3/16” cable would elongate 3.7 inches, and if it were to fail would recoil like a razor sharp rubber band slicing anything in its path. Add any deflection in the hull (think of it acting like a fiberglass bow) and the wire end would be traveling like a bullet if it failed.

 

I think this one of those situations where the cost of any means of non-destructive testing would exceed the replacement cost of the item being tested.

 

Phil Agur                    s/v Wing Tip

Commodore,             Call Sign WCW3485

IC27/270A                   MMSI 366901790

www.catalina27.org      Vessel Doc# 1039809

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Well, Bob, the rigging tension gauges (like the LOOS gauges, for example) measure deflection under an exact load--but the load is very much reduced from what the rigging might see in a 35 kt wind, and is a mere fraction of the ultimate wire strength.  The LOOS gauge is normally used to ensure that your standing rigging is tensioned at 10-15% of its breaking strength, and it does that by applying a small sideways force and measures the miniscule amount that the rigging bends under that force.  This is an indirect way of measuring tension...

 

Considering that 3/16" SS rope is rated at breaking strengths in the 4000 lb. range (depends on the construction of the strands), it would be really hard to give our shrouds a full-scale test.  (Hang a pickup truck from our forestays?  It might get grease on the furled jib... )  Besides, producing that much stress on a shroud would only add to the fatigue factor--and as Phil pointed out, fatigue can't be observed visually.  There was an anecdote in To Engineer Is Human about a pilot flying loops in a small plane that wasn't built to fly loops.  He thought because he'd done it before and survived that he could continue to do it.  Well, aluminum work-hardens, and fatigue builds up when the metal is stressed, making it more and more brittle and weak... and eventually, a wing broke off.  Eventually, too, our shrouds may fail.

 

I have my boat on the hard in my driveway, and the mast and rigging are all in separate places about the yard and garage.  I had the opportunity to do a VERY thorough rigging check, even though the surveyor had given us a clean bill.  I was surprised to find two corroded inner stay fittings and one mainstay wire that had a tiny, neat wrap of electrical tape, under the end of the spreader cap.  Removing the tape revealed 5 of my 19 strands of stainless were broken clean through, and half of the rest look granular and crystalline under my microscope.  Also, my backstay has a nicopress sleeve installed about ten feet up from the stern fitting, and I'm guessing that there is a fracture hidden below that, as well.  I'm biting the bullet and replacing all my standing rigging <sigh>.

 

Oh--for what it's worth on lifelines: I saw a study (should have kept a copy!) done by the Coast Guard or Navy or someone else with authority that demonstrated how poorly our lifelines protect us.  It's not the 'leaning against the rail' that breaks them--it's the 200 lb. man falling across the deck and hitting them suddenly that can produce about 2000 lb. of impact force.  Fortunately, I weigh only 184 pounds <grin>.  And I'm making my own replacement stanchions and pushpit from 11 ga stainless (.120" thick walls), just to help out...

 

David Shaddock

1977 C27 #3495 Pixie, in Rockford, IL 

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Date: Thursday, June 15, 2006 20:58
Subject: Re: catalina27-talk: Shroud connections to the hull
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> Here's my question: Are sailboats designed to withstand certain
> levels of 
> wind or shroud strength? 
>  
> If so, they all one needs to do is create those loads -
> statically or 
> dynamically, to be assured that your boat is "safe" or
> not.  We have shroud  tension
> gages. Why not use one, while placing the shroud under the
> test  load?
>  
>  - - -
>  
> I recently had a survey done on my Catalina. The way that the
> surveyor 
> determined that the lifelines were good was to put an impulse
> load on the 
> lifelines with his body and watching the stanchion to deck
> connection. Simple,  but
> effective.
>  
> Bob
>

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