Philip, I have no idea what your skill level is but having worked for a builder and in a full service boat yard, I can tell you that what you are contemplating is a very large job. The weights involved alone should deter all but the most capable (and equipped) "semi" pro. I'm not trying to sell you a new boat but....I happen to have a sound 27 hull that can be had for a VERY reasonable price. Mark, "Gratis" (6115) and others Want to keep your WHOLE PAYCHECK? PLEASE VISIT http://www.fairtax.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Tamblyn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 9:09 PM Subject: RE: catalina27-talk: catalina 27_talk RE: Keel stub repair
> Man that sounds like a big job. > Would you be better off going shopping for another boat? The man hours > to do this (remove the keel)could be huge. Even assuming you have the > skills and tools to do this job, does it make sense for a boat of this > age? I was thinking twice about the investment into painting the deck on > my boat given its age and value. > > Either way getting some opinions from people who have done keel bolt > repair jobs of this kind would be important. I have yet to hear of a > Catalina 27 that lost its keel. No doubt it has happened but it might be > worth talking to some experienced yards and repair folks before making > any decisions. > > Mark Tamblyn > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Phillip HDz > Sent: Thursday, May 31, 2007 9:55 PM > To: [email protected] > Subject: catalina27-talk: catalina 27_talk RE: Keel stub repair > > must have missed that post. > > well here's the story. > > Just got ready to sail this season and happen to notice water around one > of > my keel bolts.Being new to all this, it made me alittle nervous. did > some > searching and found Judy B,s websight( must look for her pics.). got the > > Catalina Diagram. > So my next step was to try and tighten the bolts. Each one was really > losse. > So I tightened them up abit. Next time out there was a little more > water, > not much maybe a couple of tablespoons. tighen bolts abit, next time > little > bit of water. So on and so on till I tightened and had some other things > to > do onboard then looked again and you could see the water seepping out > beside > the one bolt and one other place just in front of the bow keel bolt. > Next time I took a drill and a wet suit. Drilling a hole in a boat below > the > waterline, just doesn't seem right, but I did it. Drilled about a 3/8 > hole. > the fiberglass on the top is very thin ( Dremal sure to the job, real > nice). > Afterward took a smaller bit and twisted the drill bit in by hand at a > diagonal slant. wasn't hard to do. Anyway you could take that "wood" > and > squese it and watch the water go out, then if you took the "wood" and > rubbed > it between your fingers it would turn to dust. Can't be good. > > the keel bolts were changed to stainless by the a PO. And I know they > uesd a > tube of 3M 5200 to glue it on. now I haven't gone diving to see if see > has a > smile or not. But at this point I am thinking that the water is fresh > water > that was sitting in it by a PO. Haven't done the taste test (gringe) to > see > if it is salt water or fresh. > > So at this point here's where I think I am. The old "wood" needs to come > out > and fiberglass laminate in. Waiting for the boat hauling co. to take her > out > and put her in the front yard. what i am waiting to see if she has a > smile > and or crack in the joint. If see doesn't I will do the catalina method > with > the keel in place. If she has a smile or crack I may drop the keel and > then > fix the keel stub and put it all back together. > > Hope I am on the right track. > > Scared to go sailing, in case the keel falls off on a good heel. Must be > > alot of pressure on the side of the keel. Don"t think it can be good for > the > boat, without full torque on the bolts. And I am scared that if I torque > > them now, I will break thru the top layer of glass. > > While she is out, gonna re-embed all deck hardware, change layout in > cabin, > fix a coulbe of blisters on the bottom of keel, new water barriar and > bottom > paint, give her a spit shine and polish. > > We will know each other really well by the time it's all done. Its gonna > be > fun. > > thats the story so far. > > Phillip Day > Crystal Raven > #2549 > > > > >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >Subject: Keel stub repair > >Date: Thu, 31 May 2007 11:42:21 -0700 > > > >This is a post I did about a week ago on the Catalina 27 list. I'm not > >sure how you search the list for old posts, so I'm sending it to you. > >This same keelstub repair is also posted on Judy B's Catalina 27 > Webpage. > >She has lots of great pictures and commentary about refitting her C-27 > on > >that site. > >I think a Dremel tool or a flex shaft off of a drill would be the tool > to > >use to cut the plywood out. (Using a router bit) > > > >********* Posted 5/24/07 ******** > > > > > >I did a archive search on www.catalinaowners.com, and came up with > >recommendations of 83 to 105 ft pounds of torque. YMMV > >Here is a link for the the keel stub repair if you have a pre 1988 Cat > and > >can't cure the Catalina Smile. > >http://www.catalina30.com/TechLib/MastColumnBilgeKeel/keelstub.gif > >I understand that older Cats had mild steel J shaped bolts embedded in > the > >keel (in the lead). If seawater gets in there, galvanic corrision will > >start in the keel, with the result that the bolt will start turning > into > >crud, in a sort of hourglass shape (like two pencil points). The lead > is > >more noble than the steel. > >If the keel is firmly glued to the hull, it won't matter if you torque > the > >bolts in the water or on the hard. Since all you will be pulling is > the > >bolt against the keel structure. But if the keel is loose, then the > keel > >is exerting downward pull in the water, while you are pulling up on the > >bolt in the boat. This can cause a more stress on the bolt, and if its > >weakned, may cause it to break. > >I would start at something like 30 ft lbs, torque each bolt, then > increase > >the torque by 10 ft lbs and do each bolt again until I reached my > desired > >torque value. If any bolt breaks, well you needed to know that anyway, > >but I'd stop after the first one broke :) > > > >Jim McEwen, Tequila Chica, 1973 Cat 27, Dana Point, CA > > _________________________________________________________________ > Fight Allergies With Live Search > http://search.live.com/results.aspx?q=Remedies+For+Spring+Allergies&mkt= > en-ca&FORM=SERNEP > > > > > -- > Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.5.467 / Virus Database: 269.7.6/814 - Release Date: 5/21/2007 2:01 PM >
