All ...

More info .........

1. I don't think it's sail trim. On the wind in pretty steady conditions 
such that we can discount gusts for sake of discussion, at a measured 15 
degrees of heel; a relatively new 135 up, led, and sheeted, and the boat 
pointing correctly, such that all three sets of telltails are laying flat 
or occasionally ticking to windward (top first); and a main with a boom 
positioned on the centerline and the sheet tensioned such that the 
telltails on the battons are all flying straight out (or the top one 
falling off occasionally), I have to use arm strength, not "two fingers", 
to keep the boat from turning into the wind. I couldn't tell you how many 
degrees of rudder I have to apply, but my point is that it is taking 
constant pressure to hold the boat on course, which is NOT how some of you 
have described a properly tuned rig at 15 degrees of heel. 

2. Each fall, I have to take the tension off the rig when it comes out of 
the water (lift requires me to remove the forestay), so I have to retune 
each spring. And I like the tension off the rig in the winter anyway. Per 
recommendations on this list when I first got the boat, I started by 
positioning the mast such that the main halyard intersected the boom about 
six inches back from the mast, and then tensioning the rig from there. In 
an effort to reduce my weather helm, I've been moving the mast top forward 
an inch at a time until, as I said before, the mast is standing straight 
up ... the main halyard intersects the boom right at the base of the mast. 
Thus I have moved the center of effort pretty far forward. The problem is 
somewhat better but not gone. 

So ................. when I read a respected sailer, Judy, talks about two 
fingers on San Francisco Bay, and I read on this board and others about 
boats sailing merrily along being gently guided by their captains, I get 
frustrated. Yes, I can deal with the problem by dumping the travellor or 
otherwise triming to move the center of effort forward, but it seems to me 
that I ought to be able to tune the boat such that in 10-12 with a 
135/main she is properly balanced without doing so. Maybe I'm just being 
unrealistic, but I don't think so. I've trimed and helmed other boats in 
such conditions that have had an almost neutral helm.

Thus, my question to Judy. Hope all that helps.

Tom






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Good point!  We need to know as the wind builds do you need to push the 
tiller up wind or downwind to keep her tracking?  If you release the 
tiller which direction does the boat go, head into the wind or turn to run 
off the wind?  The correction for helm is mast rake and a little goes a 
long way on a well designed boat.  Did you make any changes to the mast 
position or has it always been the same and the handling as wind increases 
the same?
 
 
Joe McCary
Aeolus II, West River, MD
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On Behalf Of David Shaddock

…But you say you’re dragging a tiller through the water, which seems to me 
you’re fighting a lee helm and turning the rudder to keep from bearing 
off, not a weather helm—and if that’s the case, and your mast is vertical, 
you’ve moved your center of effort forward instead of aft where you want 
it. 

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