IMHO the dispatching is a very important chapter for a web framework,
especially for Catalyst that has so many things to offer in this field.
And another important thing is to show how Catalyst works alone, without an
ORM, without a templating system, without a form processor, with the warning
that this not the right way to do it, but it is very important for the
beginners to see which are the things that depend on Catalyst and which are
those that depend on the ORM or templating system.
And another important thing is to use a lot of warnings that "This is not
the right way" when DBIC code is used in the controllers for beeing easier
to understand by the beginners, but to let them know that that way of doing
things should be avoided.
And it should be very helpful to show examples of models that get data and
save data, but models that don't use an ORM like DBIC.
--Octavian
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kieren Diment" <dim...@gmail.com>
To: "The elegant MVC web framework" <catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk>
Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2010 7:57 AM
Subject: Re: [Catalyst] Has anyone read the book "Catalyst 5.8 : The Perl
MVCFramework" yet?
Wrong book. The discussion was about the new edition of the Packt book.
You appear to be referring to the Apress book "The Definitive Guide to
Catalyst"
With the Apress book, we assumed that you could read the freely available
tutorial already, so our aim wasn't to duplicate that.
Should we ever go to second edition I'd like to significantly expand the
cookbook chapter (which I must respectfully disagree is of great usefulness
to the beginner - I'm also strongly of the opinion that the Chained dispatch
type chapter is also of great use to the beginner, although the point may
not be immediately apparent until you start designing your own application's
dispatch structure).
On 25/10/2010, at 11:23 AM, John Karr wrote:
It came out just as I was trying to learn catalyst. From a beginner
perspective it wasn't of any value -- thankfully Kennedy Clark has been
doing an excellent job with the Tutorial on CPAN, because that's how I
figured most things out. I was severely disappointed with the book, and
not
the least concerned with LOLCats and Kitty Pidgin. The people who wrote
the
book are a very knowledgeable group and sometimes their book works as a
reference, but overall doesn't seem add a lot to what's already in the
documentation, while being of no value to beginners whatsoever.
It would be nice to have a good beginner book and a more advanced book. If
any of the more advanced programmers on this list would like someone to
help
with writing the beginner book, don't hesitate to get in touch!
From: Philip Medes [mailto:pmedes_2...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Friday, October 01, 2010 5:33 PM
To: The elegant MVC web framework
Subject: Re: [Catalyst] Has anyone read the book "Catalyst 5.8 : The Perl
MVC Framework" yet?
I actually read the first 2 chapters and tried the examples. I haven't
had
time to finish the book.
I haven't read any other books on Catalyst, but I do like the Sitepoint
books better ("Build Your Own Ruby On Rails Web Applications").
_____
From: Kiffin Gish <kiffin.g...@planet.nl>
To: catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk
Sent: Fri, October 1, 2010 3:15:47 PM
Subject: [Catalyst] Has anyone read the book "Catalyst 5.8 : The Perl MVC
Framework" yet?
I recently received a copy of the book "Catalyst 5.8 : The Perl MVC
Framework" for review, have read it and tried out the examples.
Before I make my judgments public, I'd first be curious to hear from
others in the Catalyst Community about what their views are on the
book.
Those that have "actually read" the book, that is. I've already seen a
couple blog entries and they tend to be fairly negative (we sure prefer
to rant).
--
Kiffin Gish <kiffin.g...@planet.nl>
Gouda, The Netherlands
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