The biggest reason you see Cayenne more ObjectStyle-oriented than ASF-oriented at the moment is due to the fact that work on the Cayenne 1.2 release was well underway when incubation occurred. Work has been done on both sides (issue tracking and subversion are now at ASF, but wiki/docs are still on OS for now). We decided a while back that the 1.2 release would be done as an OS release (org.objectstyle.cayenne package names, for example) and then when 1.2 went final, use it as the cutover baseline to ASF. This will help existing users of the product since they won't have to change all of their imports/etc. I know Andrus is itching to get 1.2 out the door so we can make the ASF cutover and do a full release out of incubation.
As for having 1 wiki page "private" out of the hundreds of pages on the wiki, that doesn't strike me as too bad. Access was never denied to anyone who wanted to see the announcement he was working on. The page and what it was about was announced publicly. He was just looking for some verbage feedback. Nothing sinister at all. A wiki is simply easier for that type of information and the page will be unlocked very soon. Thanks, /dev/mrg PS. What if the ex-girlfriend is HOT? :-) -----Original Message----- From: Jim Jagielski [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 13, 2006 8:34 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: Preview of the release announcement On Jul 12, 2006, at 7:04 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote: > Andrus Adamchik wrote: >> >> On Jul 12, 2006, at 6:26 PM, Jean T. Anderson wrote: >> >>> Not to confuse things even more, but even if 1.2 were an Apache >>> Incubator release it wouldn't be fully endorsed by the ASF. >>> Quoting from >>> the branding page, incubation indicates "that the project has >>> yet to be >>> fully endorsed by the ASF." >> >> True, but this doesn't contradict what I wrote there (1.2 is ot >> endorsed). Still if anyone can suggest a better wording, please >> do. Or >> even better - go ahead and change it on Wiki. > > ah -- but changing it requires access to the private Wiki. > > I should have mentioned this with Andrus' first post. I'm > fundamentally > opposed to a committers-only Wiki. I don't think you'll find any > private > project Wikis at Apache. > > Developing anything in private, even a blog announcement, sets a > slippery precedent. I tend to agree. Despite the amount of good solid work being done on the Project, I'm not seeing it really *becoming* an ASF project. Private Wikis, external infrastructure and what appears to be slow lagging transition towards "just" the ASF are items that need to be addressed. It's like someone engaged to be married but still dating their old girl-friend. "I'm breaking it off... really, I am!" :)
