Bye everyone.  Can get this elsewhere.

On Jun 11, 2023, at 4:00 PM, Karen 
<<>> wrote:

Aw. Come on. If you are going to carry out a prolonged discussion on this 
theme, at least you could get the definition of the main terms correct.  
Ecology is a science that tries to objectively describe the natural world, and 
derive predictions about objectively measured interactions. Conservation is a 
value-laden effort to protect one ecological interaction. They are not in 


Human death rates


Estimated bird mortality by cause.
"There's no standardized way of doing it that everyone can agree to," says 
Garry George, renewable energy director for Audubon California – but when it 
comes to bird kills by the electricity industry, here's the approximate pecking 

Solar: Anywhere from about 1,000 birds a year, according to BrightSource, to 
28,000 birds a year, according to an expert at the Center for Biological 

Wind: Between 140,000 and 328,000 birds a year in the contiguous United States, 
according to a December 2013 study 
<> published 
in the journal Biological Conservation. Taller turbines tend to take out more 

Oil and Gas: An estimated 500,000 to 1 million birds a year are killed in oil 
fields, the Bureau of Land 
 said in a December 2012 memo.

Coal: Huge numbers of birds, roughly 7.9 million, may be killed by coal, 
according to analysis 
<> by 
Benjamin K. Sovacool, director of the Danish Center for Energy Technologies. 
His estimate, however, included everything from mining to production and 
climate change, which together amounted to about five birds per gigawatt-hour 
of energy generated by coal.

Nuclear: About 330,000 birds, by Sovacool’s 

Power Lines: Between 12 and 64 million birds a year are felled by transmission 
lines, according to a study 
 published July 3 in the journal PLOS ONE.

All told, felines kill 1.4 to 3.7 billionbirds a year.

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