Initially I was confused by Ken's link ,but starting at 9:40 if becomes relevant and funny.
Alicia On 11/6/2023 11:10 AM, Kenneth V. Rosenberg wrote: > At least topic is getting some attention! > > Ken > > https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OQ0nVxD2Nck > > > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Nov 6, 2023, at 10:09 AM, Alicia Plotkin <t...@ottcmail.com> wrote: >> >> The full Committee Report with its recommendations here >> <https://americanornithology.org/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/1-AOS-EBNC_recommendations_23_10_19.pdf>. >> >> It's easy to read & has some interesting material not included in the >> public statement put up on the web page. >> >> The Committee seems not to have considered the question of costs that >> individual birders might bear, but for the AOS itself it found (pp >> 25-26): >>> Administrative support for this step will not be trivial. For the >>> public comment period, interactive >>> platform(s) will need to be set up in order to moderate and accept >>> the desired input. For >>> broadcasting new names and general publicity, substantial investment >>> will likely need to be >>> made for setting up workflows to track and manage web and social >>> media communications, >>> publish press releases, and handle media relations. ... >>> We recognize this process is potentially costly. If the cost is >>> prohibitive, then partnerships with >>> other bird-focused organizations may be a step to consider. >>> Different organizations could pool >>> resources to implement each step of the public engagement process >>> and take ownership of >>> different steps in the workflow. This collaboration will add another >>> layer of complexity in project >>> management and require time for strategic planning discussions >>> (e.g., reconciling institutional >>> priorities, actively facilitating dynamics to ensure different >>> groups do not feel differently treated >>> because of what they might be able to contribute). >> >> In answer to John's other question, the committee recommended as >> follows on pp 9-10: >>> The committee is also not making recommendations on scientific >>> names. As in all of >>> zoology, avian scientific naming procedures follow the International >>> Code of Zoological >>> Nomenclature (ICZN), which is beyond the purview of the AOS. The >>> International >>> Commission on Zoological Nomenclature recently established its >>> position opposing the >>> use of ethical reasons alone to justify the renaming of scientific >>> Latin names of taxa. >> So if this is indeed how it play's out, /wilsonii /can continue as a >> species name for the Cuban Kite (so long as it survives) and Wilson's >> Plover. However the genus /Wilsonii/ disappeared when based on >> genetic studies, Hooded Warbler was moved to /Setophaga/ and Wilson's >> & Canada were placed in /Cardellina/ in 2011. >> >> Alicia >> >> On 11/6/2023 7:45 AM, John Gregoire wrote: >>> Thanks for that. A couple of issues. One is the resulting heavy cost >>> of change, Think checklists,alphanumeric codes, field guides are >>> three that immediately come to mind. When we did the second printing >>> of the National Geo guide, we opted to new editions and not an >>> errata list of changes. My plant guides are already full of >>> redactions and pen/ink changes. >>> Second is the question of not changing scientific names. Does this >>> mean that the Wilsonia will remain intact? >>> John >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 6, 2023 at 7:12 AM Linda Orkin <wingmagi...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Very interesting Irene. Thank you for providing this document! >>> >>> Linda Orkin >>> >>>> On Nov 5, 2023, at 2:04 PM, Irene Liu <il...@cornell.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi everyone, I was a member of the ad hoc English Bird Names >>>> committee. Great to read everyone's comments and to know that >>>> people are reflecting on the recommendations we wrote. I >>>> encourage those wondering about why we endorsed removing all >>>> eponyms, including eponyms honoring people who made important >>>> contributions to ornithology, to read our justification for >>>> that particular recommendation here: here: >>>> >>>> https://americanornithology.org/about/english-bird-names-project/english-bird-names-committee-recommendations/#justification >>>> >>>> Apologies if I'm duplicating anyone else's response. 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