Hey man. First, good luck on your next lab. Second, thanks for taking the time to write this up. Overall a good acount. I too am very visual and prefer drawing a map...have to wait and see...
-------------------------------------------------- From: <[email protected]> Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 4:41 AM To: <[email protected]> Subject: CCIE_RS Digest, Vol 45, Issue 149 > Send CCIE_RS mailing list submissions to > [email protected] > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://onlinestudylist.com/mailman/listinfo/ccie_rs > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > [email protected] > > You can reach the person managing the list at > [email protected] > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of CCIE_RS digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: My lab v4.0 experience, for those of you dying to know > ([email protected]) > 2. Re: My lab v4.0 experience, for those of you dying to know > (Juan Pablo Corrales) > 3. Re: ebay router and switch purchase (Antonio Dee) > 4. Re: ebay router and switch purchase (Mark Holloway) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 22:35:04 -0000 > From: <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] My lab v4.0 experience, for those of you > dying to know > To: <[email protected]>, <[email protected]> > Message-ID: > <2c50607615fca9479ab884ee35a78f44037e4...@feyoex03.ds.oconus.navy.mil> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > Awesome write-up! Thanks! > > -----Original Message----- > From: [email protected] > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jmangawang > Sent: Tuesday, October 27, 2009 5:40 AM > To: CCIE OSL > Subject: [OSL | CCIE_RS] My lab v4.0 experience,for those of you dying > to know > > Well, I took the v4.0 lab last week and even though I walked out knowing > I failed, I was actually quite impressed with the test as a whole. I > took my test in San Jose, mostly so that I could take advantage of > gaining 2 extra hours (I live in Central time zone). > First time I took my test, I went to RTP and lost an hour which really > took a toll, since I had to wake up earlier also. Anyway, I did get my > full 8 hours of sleep the night before, ate a decent breakfast and went > on to Building C. > There were two other candidates, one taking R&S, the other taking SP. > I chatted it up with the other R&S candidate for about 20 minutes > talking mostly about what I had read about regarding the new test > format. If you haven't done so already, read these posts: > http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/46561 and > https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/thread/8262. One other thing, I won't > mention any specific topics that I got on my exam due to NDA, but I'll > describe as best as I can the overall look and feel, as well as my > impressions. > The proctor took us to the lab room around 8:20am, gave us our seating > assignments, then gave me and the other R&S candidate an extra 5 minute > set of instructions on how to log into the new web interface. > Then we sat down and started our test. > For those of you interested, you get 2 sheets of writing paper, and a > 3rd sheet that has login info for the troubleshooting/lab config > portion. You're in a half-height cubicle with one neighbor. You get a > hodge podge of colored pencils and a really nice widescreen monitor. > I use a 20" widescreen at work and these were way bigger, maybe 24"? > I don't know. But they were nice. > The core knowledge/OEQs (open-ended questions) are 4 questions of which > you must get 3 correct or you fail the whole exam. The proctor told us > to use short, concise answers. He said it's because they don't like to > read really long answers (that's not official, just something he said). > When I failed the v3.0 test back in August, it was because of these > OEQs. I made it a point to read any/everything in the Cisco > Documentation site that pertained to a v4.0 Blueprint topic. I also > made it a point to do as many show commands during my lab work, just so > I'd know what I was look at. That definitely paid off because I got 1 > question which I knew without thinking about, 2 others where I was 90% > certain, and 1 which I had never seen before. > Needless to say, I passed the section and I didn't even think twice > about those questions once I started the troubleshooting section. > Word of advice: Read the questions several times before answering. > On the 2 that I was 90% sure of, I actually had written a different > answer the first time, but based on specific words in the > question/diagram, I ended up changing them. I'm glad I did. > Next came the troubleshooting section. You have to bring us IE and log > into a webpage using the 3rd piece of paper on your desk. Once in, > you're given an opportunity to view screenshots of what the new > interface looks like. Basically, the main page of the new interface is > a full diagram of the network topology with menu buttons across the top. > For the troubleshooting section, one menu opens a popup window showing > one ticket at a time, another is a popup showing all tickets listed on a > page, another is a control panel to reboot/restore configs on > routers(troubleshooting only), another is some documentation about what > to do/not do, and then there is the end exam button. The first menu > also has diagrams showing things like BGP, routing, cabling, MPLS, etc. > There's also a countdown timer in the upper right corner of the main > page during the troubleshooting section, but not in the lab > configuration portion. To bring up the console of one of the routers, > just click on the picture within the diagram and SecureCRT opens up. > One annoying thing is that if you have several router consoles up, then > you click on the trouble ticket window, the main page covers up your > console windows. This is described in more detail in one of the review > links I posted up top. > The troubleshooting section itself is not too bad, but can be a bit > overwhelming at first. Keep in mind that you are learning a new > interface and trying to understand a new topology and you only have 2 > hours to do it in. You really need to keep calm, and focused, and not > spend too much time figuring out how the topology is set up. Rather, go > through the tickets, find the devices referenced in the tickets, and > work the specific issues. I found most of my fixes were reasonably > simple. As with any CCIE lab, time management is important. I got > caught up on the first 2 tickets and wasted 30 minutes before giving up > on them and going after the remaining tickets. I was able to knock out > the other tickets (except for one because I didn't understand the new > topic well enough) and came back to the first pair that I missed. > Another word of advice: click on everything. I was able to fix one of > those first tickets only after I clicked on a device I didn't know I > could access. I think I clicked on it more out of frustration, and when > the console window popped up, a quick "sh run" and about 20 seconds of > reconfiging later, and I had a working solution. Unfortunately, I ran > out of time so I could attempt the other ticket that I wasted time on. > Btw, I've read in various posts that you can have from as few as 6 > devices to as many as 30 devices. I've read that these devices are > virtual and if you have to reboot/restore config on one, it comes up in > less than 30 seconds (maybe faster). I restored config on one and I > want to say that in around 30 seconds, I had router adjacencies forming > back up, so I believe there's truth to this virtual thing. This is > definitely a good thing because you do only have 2 hours for the > section. And don't worry about your command set, because as far as I > could tell, I had access to all my show, debug, and exec commands. As > far as I was concerned, I was in a fully working router. Another piece > of advice: > don't rely solely on show run. On some of the "easier" tickets, I could > do a show run, see the problem, and fix it right away. On others, I had > to do various show commands or debugs to see what was happening or not > happening. On these tickets, "sh run" looked perfectly fine to me. > I ended up failing because you need to score 80% in the troubleshooting > section in order to pass the lab. You can get anywhere from 8-12 > tickets (I think this was mentioned in one of Maurilio Gorito's > webcasts, I don't remember). So you'd need to answer 8 of 10, 9 of 11, > 10 of 12, etc. in order to pass. I was pretty confident in all except > one where I questioned the wording of the ticket. I asked the proctor, > but somehow didn't get a good feeling based on his reply. But, I > "fixed" the ticket based on what he told me. At the end of the day, it > was a new topic that got me, and if I knew more about that topic, I > wouldn't have had to worry about the questionable wording. I'll > definitely remedy that when I re-take in 30 days. > Once the troubleshooting section is done, you're presented a button on > the page to start the lab configuration portion. This uses the same web > interface as troubleshooting, except you don't have a menu option to > reboot/restore original configs on a router. There were only 5 routers > and 4 switches and the config tasks are just like any others that you've > seen. I felt that Cisco did a good job of incorporating the new topics > into both troubleshooting and the lab config, so make sure you know > them. But, since you only have at least 5.5 hours, you'll have to make > sure you manage your time wisely. I, personally, like drawing maps, but > I didn't for this lab. I felt that the provided diagrams were well done > and I could follow them just as easily as if I had drawn it myself. The > only drawback is that whole web browser window covering your terminal > windows (mentioned previously). > Based on my score results, I think I ended up failing the lab config > section mostly because I got burned on a post-L3 configuration task that > ended up breaking most of the work I did in the L3 config section. I > lost most of those points because of it. And, I didn't even know it had > broken until the proctor told us we had 5 minutes left. Even when I > discovered it, I scrambled to un-do what broke everything and restore > the original working config, but I was missing something and it just > didn't come back up right. Even if I was somehow able to restore it > back to a working state, there were a few tasks that I left untouched > just because I didn't know how to do them. > Some were new topics, some were not. But keep in mind that you now > need to score at least 80% in the lab configuration section in order to > pass the lab. > After the exam, the other R&S candidate walked out of the building and > we talked a little about how we felt about the web interface. I told > him that I actually liked it, except for the one drawback. He said it > reminded him of the Cisco Assessor practice lab, except bigger. We both > generally agreed that it wasn't as painful as we thought it was going to > be. This new lab is definitely passable, and I've already got my next > scheduled for late November. I do plan on spending a lot of time > learning the new topics, i.e. MPLS, OER/PFR, IOS zone firewalls, etc. I > also need to work on time management better. Hope you find this > helpful. > _______________________________________________ > For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, > please visit www.ipexpert.com > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 16:42:42 -0600 > From: Juan Pablo Corrales <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] My lab v4.0 experience, for those of you > dying to know > To: [email protected] > Cc: [email protected] > Message-ID: > <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > Great feedback!! Thanks a lot for sharing your experience. I?m sure you?ll > get the magic numbers in 30 days! > > Regards, > > Juan > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://onlinestudylist.com/pipermail/ccie_rs/attachments/20091026/10d5a124/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 08:58:25 +0930 > From: Antonio Dee <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] ebay router and switch purchase > To: CCIE_RS OnlineStudyList <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > > Thanks for sharing Carlos > > I think this is a good one to have. > > I guess i'll get one if they ship internationally > > cheers! > antonio > > > Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:23:09 -0700 > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > CC: [email protected] > Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] ebay router and switch purchase > > I think that Ciscoland.net does ship overseas.. > > I live in the US, but when I bought something from them, I remember that I > saw the International shipment option. > > > --- On Mon, 10/26/09, Rick Mur <[email protected]> wrote: > > From: Rick Mur <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] ebay router and switch purchase > To: "Carlos Valero" <[email protected]> > Cc: "nd reyes" <[email protected]>, "Iwan Hoogendoorn" > <[email protected]>, [email protected] > Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 9:04 AM > > If the seller doesn't offer you to ship to the country you live in, than > it's impossible to buy.There some ways around this. There are services > that you > can ship your package too and they re-package it and send it to your home. > Try googling for 'Address in the US' or something. You will get a P.O box > or something in the US then, which someone empties and resends to you. I > personally don't really like doing that, but it could help :-) > -- > > Regards, > > Rick Mur > CCIE2 #21946 (R&S / Service Provider) > Sr. Support Engineer ? IPexpert, Inc. > URL: http://www.IPexpert.com > > > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Carlos Valero <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Have you tried ciscoland.net ? > > --- On Mon, 10/26/09, Iwan Hoogendoorn <[email protected]> wrote: > > > From: Iwan Hoogendoorn <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] ebay router and switch purchase > > To: "nd reyes" <[email protected]> > Cc: [email protected] > Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 4:56 AM > > > Hi, > > Just create an ebay account. > Make sure you have a creditcard or Paypal set up > Bid in a switche and make sure you win the auction or do a "buy it now" > Make sure the seller is willing to ship the item to your desired location. > > > More infor can be found on google ;-) > > -- > Regards, > > Iwan Hoogendoorn > CCIE #13084 (R&S / Security / > SP) > Sr. Support Engineer ? IPexpert, Inc. > URL: http://www.IPexpert.com > > > On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:12 AM, nd reyes <[email protected]> wrote: > >> I'm wondering how I could purchase from ebay.com when they only ship >> in the U.S. and I'm in Asia. Does anyone know how ? >> _______________________________________________ > >> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please >> visit www.ipexpert.com >> > > > > -- > Regards, > > Iwan Hoogendoorn > > CCIE #13084 (R&S / Security / SP) > Sr. Support Engineer ? IPexpert, Inc. > URL: http://www.IPexpert.com > _______________________________________________ > For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please > visit www.ipexpert.com > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please > visit www.ipexpert.com > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox Find out how here > http://windowslive.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=823454 > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://onlinestudylist.com/pipermail/ccie_rs/attachments/20091027/b48c1e3d/attachment-0001.htm > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 20:41:29 -0700 > From: Mark Holloway <[email protected]> > Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] ebay router and switch purchase > To: Antonio Dee <[email protected]> > Cc: CCIE_RS OnlineStudyList <[email protected]> > Message-ID: <[email protected]> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252" > > Have you tried Cables and Kits? They sell used (and new) Cisco > hardware for decent prices and ship international. I've always had > excellent service from them. They sell on ebay as well as their own > web site. > > > On Oct 26, 2009, at 4:28 PM, Antonio Dee wrote: > >> Thanks for sharing Carlos >> >> I think this is a good one to have. >> >> I guess i'll get one if they ship internationally >> >> cheers! >> antonio >> >> >> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2009 15:23:09 -0700 >> From: [email protected] >> To: [email protected] >> CC: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] ebay router and switch purchase >> >> I think that Ciscoland.net does ship overseas.. >> >> I live in the US, but when I bought something from them, I remember >> that I saw the International shipment option. >> >> >> --- On Mon, 10/26/09, Rick Mur <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> From: Rick Mur <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] ebay router and switch purchase >> To: "Carlos Valero" <[email protected]> >> Cc: "nd reyes" <[email protected]>, "Iwan Hoogendoorn" >> <[email protected] >> >, [email protected] >> Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 9:04 AM >> >> If the seller doesn't offer you to ship to the country you live in, >> than it's impossible to buy. >> There some ways around this. There are services that you can ship >> your package too and they re-package it and send it to your home. >> Try googling for 'Address in the US' or something. You will get a >> P.O box or something in the US then, which someone empties and >> resends to you. I personally don't really like doing that, but it >> could help :-) >> >> -- >> >> Regards, >> >> Rick Mur >> CCIE2 #21946 (R&S / Service Provider) >> Sr. Support Engineer ? IPexpert, Inc. >> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 1:44 PM, Carlos Valero >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> Have you tried ciscoland.net ? >> >> --- On Mon, 10/26/09, Iwan Hoogendoorn <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> From: Iwan Hoogendoorn <[email protected]> >> Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] ebay router and switch purchase >> To: "nd reyes" <[email protected]> >> Cc: [email protected] >> Date: Monday, October 26, 2009, 4:56 AM >> >> >> Hi, >> >> Just create an ebay account. >> Make sure you have a creditcard or Paypal set up >> Bid in a switche and make sure you win the auction or do a "buy it >> now" >> Make sure the seller is willing to ship the item to your desired >> location. >> >> More infor can be found on google ;-) >> >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Iwan Hoogendoorn >> CCIE #13084 (R&S / Security / SP) >> Sr. Support Engineer ? IPexpert, Inc. >> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com >> >> >> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 9:12 AM, nd reyes <[email protected]> wrote: >> > I'm wondering how I could purchase from ebay.com when they only ship >> > in the U.S. and I'm in Asia. Does anyone know how ? >> > _______________________________________________ >> > For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, >> please visit www.ipexpert.com >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> Regards, >> >> Iwan Hoogendoorn >> CCIE #13084 (R&S / Security / SP) >> Sr. Support Engineer ? IPexpert, Inc. >> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com >> _______________________________________________ >> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, >> please visit www.ipexpert.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, >> please visit www.ipexpert.com >> >> >> >> >> Find out how here Use Messenger in your Hotmail inbox >> _______________________________________________ >> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, >> please visit www.ipexpert.com > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://onlinestudylist.com/pipermail/ccie_rs/attachments/20091026/ed74f6c5/attachment.htm > > End of CCIE_RS Digest, Vol 45, Issue 149 > **************************************** > _______________________________________________ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com
