I think it's also important to remember that at the end of the day this list belongs to IPexpert, and it's their rules. If they ask us to refrain from talk about obtaining IOU then we should respect that.
Neither Marko or Tyson was rude in their request. I see no reason we shouldn't abide by their rules on this. Jason On Mon, Feb 7, 2011 at 2:53 AM, Matt Hill <[email protected]> wrote: > I'lll be impartial here... Queries in the gaps... > > On 7 February 2011 20:12, Thomas Raabo - Zitcom A/S <[email protected]> wrote: > > What is the difference on violating the iou license agreement and the ios > license agreement? > > > > Absolutely nothing. > > > > Violating is violating right?.... > > I just don't see the difference... actually IPexpert helps people break > the license agreement with the nice how-to for dynamips > > Still it is the individual that downloads any IOS and does whatever > with it may be violating the agreement. I think IPExpert will jump up > and down just as much if you posted a link to an IOS warez repository > as they would any other commercial software. This includes IOS, IOU, > MS Windows, OSX and something Tyson has on his Decnet setup at home. > > > > > I did not publish url. I did not tell you where to go...! > > Indeed you didnt. However I would not have even thought about > Googling it until I saw your email. Then again I have completed my > studies so my interest would be described as "minimal" at best. > Having said that I did google it, saw a bunch of links and lost any > interest I did have. I googled. Im a bad man. Mea Culpa. > > > > > I think Marko´s message was just in the hopes of somebody at cisco > reading his Email nothing else... > > Possibly. In this business its all about CYA before most other things. > > > > > Tyson > > IOU is not a public product and Cisco has gone to great lengths to keep > it from the public. So the posting of it publicly will get Cisco angry with > you and us. None of us what that. If you do want that then you are > studying for the wrong certification ;). > > > > > > Angry with us?... you helped people violate for years... > > An organisation such as Cisco are more likely to turn a blind eye to a > blog post saying "Install this Open Source/GNU bizzo on your PeeCee > and press go" as opposed to "Go and grab Cisco's proprietary internal > software from here and go hard." Any lack of a response from an > "official" can be seen as condoning it so it had to be said. > > > > > > > IOU is of no interest to me I have a full ipexpert setup. But maybe I > could help others... that's why I posted it! > > Not everybody is able to build I nice setup or rent a lot of > hours.....and dynamips woops my 8 core machine here at home > > Indeed. A very expensive exercise it is to do this stuff. Emulation > is very new in the game and what did people do before it? I did my > whole lab via these means. I would not be a CCIE without GNS3. I am > grateful to the developers of these products who spend their time > making them so I can study for free. > > No one here is saying you are a crook or should be locked up. I'm > certainly not. If anything you have raised my interest in something > that I normally would not have given much thought to. But considering > that, I dont fancy risking my pile of CCxx's I have built up over the > past 13 or so years just to try something out. Ponder this... is the > software, or the website/torrent it is available from watermarked and > traceable? Does it phone home? 6500s and other gear does now. These > issues do not bother me as I did not attempt to obtain the software. > > Everyone has their own means of studying. I personally rate using > IOU considerably higher than what I would someone who dumps the exam. > For starters you are proving you are studying as opposed to cheating > However my opinion is not worth a pinch of sh17 as I am not the one > who creates or enforces software licence agreements > > > > > > Med venlig hilsen | Best regards > > Thomas Raabo > > Netværks ansvarlig > > Cheers, > Matt > > CCIE #22386 > CCSI #31207 > > > > > > > > > _____________________________________________ > > [email protected] | Direkte: +45 69 10 60 18 | Tlf.: +45 70 23 55 66 > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [email protected] [mailto: > [email protected]] On Behalf Of Matt Hill > > Sent: 6. februar 2011 05:13 > > To: Jeferson Guardia > > Cc: [email protected]; [email protected] > > Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_RS] Switches in Troubleshooting > > > > I cant see why. > > > > If IPExpert decide to make a lab programme that utilises dynamips, then > thats great. Regardless of what the IOS licensing agreement states. > > > > If YOU (yes YOU, the one who clicks "I agree with the licensing Ts&Cs" > > when you download IOS) decide to violate the licence agreement then that > is not IPExpert's fault. It is YOURS. If Tyson or Marko or Fred from > IPExpert even help you to troubleshoot your dynamips setup, that is also not > a problem of IPExpert. > > > > The possession of the IOS and how it is obtained is between the holder of > the software and Cisco. No one, despite the amount of publications written > by any third party. > > > > Now to the specific matter at hand. This IOU is Cisco property and I am > sure its licensing says "Cant be used outside of Cisco approved activities" > or words to that effect. If Someone like Marko does not say, "Hey dont do > that please" then that can be implied to condone similar postings in the > future. It would be the same if someone came along and said, "Hey guys, > come to my IOS repository and download all the stuff you like" > > > > Anyway I've typed enough. It's a Sunday and I really should be out > drinking beer or doing something equally as productive. > > > > Cheers, > > Matt > > > > CCIE #22386 > > CCSI #31207 > > > > On 6 February 2011 13:00, Jeferson Guardia <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Marko, > >> > >> That was a bad approach with if our colleague here trying to share > >> some interesting information, since he didnt post any url or nothing, > >> I dont see anything bad about it, we should stand someone trying to > >> let us know good info, if I re-call properly, there's a petition on > >> the net for Cisco not to block their IOS so we can continue studying > >> dynamips, this type of thing should be prohibited as well, right? > >> Because dynamips is basically doing something that Cisco has been > >> trying to prevent, then why dont you go ahead and remove everything > >> about dynamips on the ipexpert portal? guess this would take years. > >> > >> Peace, > >> > >> 2011/2/1 Marko Milivojevic <[email protected]> > >> > >>> On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 09:14, Thomas Raabo - Zitcom A/S > >>> <[email protected]> > >>> wrote: > >>> > BTW for anyone who wants to know... IOU is out in the open.. :) I > >>> > wonB4t tell you where.. just google! > >>> > >>> Thomas (et al), > >>> > >>> Thanks for the heads-up, but please don't post this kind of messages > >>> on OSL again. IOU is Cisco's intellectual property and int's their > >>> decision not to have it available. Please don't discuss finding it > >>> using illegals means here. > >>> > >>> Thanks in advance for cooperation! > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427 > >>> Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert > >>> > >>> FREE CCIE training: http://bit.ly/vLecture > >>> > >>> Mailto: [email protected] > >>> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 > >>> Web: http://www.ipexpert.com/ > >>> > >>> > >>> Blogs and organic groups at http://www.ccie.net > >>> > >>> _____________________________________________________________________ > >>> __ Subscription information may be found at: > >>> http://www.groupstudy.com/list/CCIELab.html > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, > >> please visit www.ipexpert.com > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please > visit www.ipexpert.com > > > _______________________________________________ > For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please > visit www.ipexpert.com > _______________________________________________ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com
