Hi All

thanks very much for the input.

It would seem the general consensus is not to bring it up  in my
discussions. While I feel like I still would like to I also realise that as
yet I don't feel I know what would be the best way to do this and because
of this feel that unless I at the least come up with a good way to bring
this up then I shouldn't.

That being said I see your points and think that a smarter way is probably
to just make sure that I negotiate a salary that in the not to distant
future covers the expenses I had to pay in the last year.

Thanks again for all your input.

Ben

On Tue, Oct 9, 2012 at 1:30 AM, George Leslie
<[email protected]>wrote:

>  Hi Ben,
> G'day.
>
> I'll add my 2p worth.  And this may not be popular with others on the
> list, but what the hey....
>
> If you choose to self finance your CCIE, (and I pretty much am repeating
> your route to get it....no pun intended), then  you choose to take a short
> term financial hit (loss of income, study materials, exam costs, travel
> costs etc etc) but in turn increase your salary for the rest of your life.
>
> If you were a CCNP before, that goes with a certain salary range. CCIEs
> get more (although definitely not as lucrative as it once was) and an
> employer will factor that into the salary range they offer.  This increase,
> over time, will pay back your initial investment and get you back in credit
> as it were.
>
> I think CCIE should be seen as an investment, not as a cost.  You invest
> time, effort, money, blood, sweat and tears and lots of caffeine.
> Eventually you get back a 5 digit number.  That number over time earns you
> additional income that will pay back at least the money aspect.  OK, you
> may now have grey hair, need stronger reading glasses, and completely
> forgotten what it is like of have s** with your missus but that is part of
> the sacrifice.  CCIE is so much more than just the money.  It is like about
> showing you are amongst the best in your profession, it is about proving to
> yourself and the world you can do it, and with so many CCNP cheats out
> there now, proving you really know your subject matter.
>
> I have been on the employer side of these sorts of arguments before, so if
> I can put my company recruiter hat on for now...
>
> I think it completely wrong to ask an employer to directly pay for some of
> the cost you have incurred.  That was your choice, not theirs.
> Similarly, if the employer accrues additional benefit by having a CCIE,
> this is part of why they are recruiting for this job, and offering the
> salarary they are.  To directly ask them to pay you for this benefit is
> again completely wrong.
>
> If a CCIE candidate came before me for interview and made these two
> demands, my response would be two word and the second one would be "off".
>
> I completely understand where you are coming from, don't get me wrong, but
> to try these two tactics at an interview would be a disaster for you!!
>
> Anyway, light blue touch paper and stand well back....
>
> George.
>
> > Date: Mon, 8 Oct 2012 17:35:04 +1100
> > From: [email protected]
> > To: [email protected]
> > Subject: [OSL | CCIE_RS] Negotiating employers use of CCIE Number
>
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> >
> >
> > I was wondering what peoples thoughts are on the use of ones CCIE number
> as
> > a negotiation tool with a potential employer? I recently passed my CCIE
> > after taking a year off work to study. During that time not only did I
> > forgo an income I also paid for all elements of my study including the
> > following:
> >
> >
> >
> > - Complete rack equipment
> >
> > - Books
> >
> > - IPExpert Bootcamp and Workbooks
> >
> > - Three written exam attempts
> >
> > - Two lab exam attempts
> >
> > - Two flights from Australia to San Jose (one for bootcamp/exam, one for
> > exam)
> >
> > - Three weeks accommodation while in the USA
> >
> >
> >
> > I am now returning to the workforce and am negotiating with potential
> > employers and wanted some feedback on what may be the best approach to
> > attempt to recuperate some of these costs.
> >
> >
> >
> > I feel that the weekly income I earn from my employer is in exchange for
> my
> > services and does not automatically entitle them to use my CCIE number
> for
> > improved partner status when they did not contribute towards me obtaining
> > this certification. I feel that if my number is going to be used towards
> my
> > employer being able to buy equipment at greater discount from Cisco then
> > the costs incurred by me while achieving that number should be shared, if
> > not covered, by the employer.
> >
> >
> >
> > Disregarding any lost income over the last year I have spent around
> $25,000
> > on equipment, exams, books, bootcamps, flights etc to achieve this
> > certification and would ideally like my next employer to agree to cover
> > some of these costs. I think the most reasonable ones to negotiate on are
> > the exams, flights and accommodation costs considering I don’t plan to
> give
> > them any books, equipment or training materials I purchased.
> >
> >
> >
> > Can anyone share their thoughts on if they believe my stance is
> reasonable
> > and if so what may be a good approach when bringing this up during
> > negotiations? I realise that while this may all be reasonable in theory
> it
> > may not be the best way to begin employment with a new company so should
> be
> > dealt with carefully. Does anyone have an experience in dealing with such
> > situations?
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Ben
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