Hi Kings,

There are 3 keys being generated: SKEYID_d, SKEYID_a and SKEYID_e. _a is
used for authentication, _e is used for encryption. Both are derived from
_d.

Regards,
Piotr


2011/6/13 Kingsley Charles <[email protected]>

> When we use IPSec transform that does ESP encryption and authentication
> like ESP-3DES + ESP-SHA, it seems the same key is used for both encryption
> and authentication.
>
> My understanding was that SKEYID_d generated from IKE Phase 1 is used
> generate separate keys for ESP encryption, ESP authentication and AH
> authentication.
>
> Or is SKEYID_d is directly used for encryption and authentication?
>
>
> ESP-3DES + ESP-SHA + AH-SHA uses two SPIs, one for ESP and other for AH. In
> that case, it seems two keys are being used. This confirms that SKEYID_d
> is not used for encryption or authentication rather it is used as a keying
> material to generate keys for encryption and authentication.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
>
> With regards
> Kings
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 12, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Kingsley Charles <
> [email protected]> wrote:
>
>> Exactly Piotr, that's what I even observed with wireshark capture. The ESP
>> packet is being authenticated by AH The AH header has next header value of
>> ESP.
>>
>> With regards
>> Kings
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Piotr Matusiak <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Kings,
>>>
>>> According to my limited knowledge, if both AH and ESP are configured in
>>> IPSec transform set, the result IPSec packet will be IP protocol 51 as the
>>> AH will encapsulate ESP. You do not need to configure ESP in the ACL in this
>>> case.
>>> In addition to that both protocols use separate SPI number, so there are
>>> two Inbound SA and two Outbound SA created (although there is on packet on
>>> the wire).
>>>
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Piotr
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  2011/6/11 Kingsley Charles <[email protected]>
>>>
>>>>  I think, the following is the order for this combination:
>>>>
>>>> ESP Encryption + ESP Authentication  ---- >  ESP authenticates ESP
>>>> encrypted data
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With regards
>>>> Kings
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Vybhav Ramachandran <[email protected]
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Thanks a lot for all the information Kingsley! :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> TacACK
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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