Hi Kevin,

Thanks for the reply, but your example is talking about what would happen
on an outside --> inside flow.  In that case what you are saying makes
sense.  However, when going from inside to outside I believe the rules
generally are different.

I think that for basic static NAT from inside --> outside indeed routing is
performed first.  You can see this in the output of a packet-trace and most
documentation I've seen shows route lookup happening first when going
inside --> outside.

It is only in this specific case (inside to outside flow with outside
static NAT) that I am puzzled.


On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Kevin Sheahan <[email protected]> wrote:

> Hi Joe,
>
> For ASA code in both pre 8.3 and 8.3+, routing will be post-NAT. I don't
> know the exact reasoning for this but I can speculate that it is to both
> route based on 'real ip' (simplifies routing table) as well as to allow for
> simpler implementation of 'route-lookup' NAT function. The order of
> operations changes between pre 8.3 and 8.3+ between the "Access-Control"
> and "NAT" steps (ACL done before nat in pre-8.3, NAT done before ACL in
> 8.3+).
>
> If routing were to happen pre-NAT, than consider the following example:
>
>
>    - You have 12.232.232.0/24 address space.
>    - Your outside interface is assigned 12.232.232.80.
>    - The whole 12.232.232.0/24 network is then directly connected to the
>    outside interface. So any incoming packet being routed first would want to
>    hairpin and not reach its correct destination. Additionally, RPF check
>    would fail for NAT (unless NAT specifies outside,outside) so the packet
>    would be dropped.
>    - Because, in reality, routing happens after NAT – An incoming packet
>    can be un-nat'ed to, for example, DMZ address 192.168.232.x and routed
>    accordingly.
>
> Hope I was helpful.
>
> Good studies,
>
> Kevin Sheahan
>
> From: Joe Astorino <[email protected]>
> Date: Monday, April 22, 2013 3:50 PM
> To: OSL Security <[email protected]>
> Subject: [OSL | CCIE_Security] 8.2 static outside NAT
>
> I could really use some clarification here. Here is my setup
>
> ASA running 8.2 code.  nat-control is not enforced.  Requirement is that
> traffic destined to 192.168.10.241 on the inside will have the destination
> translated to 10.12.20.56 on the outside.  Conversely, traffic sourced from
> 10.12.20.56 on the outside will have it's source translated to
> 192.168.10.241 on the inside.
>
> My solution
>
> static (outside,inside) 192.168.10.241 10.12.20.56 netmask 255.255.255.255
>
>
> Now, I assumed going from inside --> outside routing happens first.  So, I
> added a route like so
> route (outside) 192.168.10.241 255.255.255.255 outside_next_hop
>
> This failed to work.  Only when I add a static route pointing outside for
> the REAL address does this work.  This is baffling me.
>
> Also, when running packet-tracer the first step is UN-NAT which I've never
> heard of before and can't find much information on.  Can anybody explain
> why routing is happening POST nat here???
> --
> Regards,
>
> Joe Astorino
> CCIE #24347
> http://astorinonetworks.com
>
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