Hi Rick & all,

I agree with you and I think IPExpert is better organized than INE. I used
IPexpert to prepare R/S and passed in my first attempt. For SP, I am using
both the materials. They are both very good. However, the IPExpert material
vol 1 covers every technology and has better LABs than VOL1 of INE which
only covers Multicast and MPLS.

The other technology topics are not covered in VOL1 INE material. I have not
looked at the VOL2 of INE , which I heard covers most of the topics.

Anyway, I would suggest we stop this discussion as it leads no where.


Suresh


On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 3:52 AM, Rick Mur <[email protected]> wrote:

> I'm also quite surprised. I actually used both for preparing for my SP lab
> and I found the IPexpert labs WAY harder than the INE ones. The 'true'
> difference between failing and passing perhaps!
>
>
> --
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Rick Mur
> CCIE2 #21946 (R&S / Service Provider)
> Sr. Support Engineer – IPexpert, Inc.
> URL: http://www.IPexpert.com
>
>
> On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 2:59 AM, Wayne Lawson <[email protected]>wrote:
>
>> Yeah - definitely strange. Bryan Bartik - one of our Support Engineers /
>> Developers also passed (yesterday) on his first attempt (see our blog).
>>
>> Ali - I'd like to chat with you directly about this, but I don't see you
>> in our customer database...what, and when did you purchase (from us SP
>> related)?....
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Wayne A. Lawson II - CCIE #5244
>> Founder & President - IPexpert
>> Mailto: <[email protected]>[email protected]
>> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444, ext. 101
>> Live Assistance, Please visit: <http://www.ipexpert.com/chat>
>> www.ipexpert.com/chat
>> eFax: +1.810.454.0130
>>
>> ::Message sent from iPhone::
>>
>> IPexpert is a premier provider of Classroom and Self-Study Cisco CCNA
>> (R&S, Voice & Security), CCNP, CCVP, CCSP and CCIE (R&S, Voice, Security &
>> Service Provider) Certification Training with locations throughout the
>> United States, Europe and Australia. Be sure to check out our online
>> communities at www.ipexpert.com/communities and our public website at
>> www.ipexpert.com.
>>
>> On Nov 10, 2009, at 8:55 PM, Neil Apolzan <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Our instructor (now triple CCIE, Tyson Scott) just used the Vol. 1+2
>> workbooks to successfully pass the lab, on the first attempt, in just a
>> matter of a few months (all while teaching / developing CCIE Security v3
>> courses, developing new R&S + Security products and being one of lead
>> support instructors on the R&S and Security Online Study Lists - just to
>> mention a few things.)
>>
>> Something's not quite adding up here. ;)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Neil Apolzan
>> Training Advisor, IPexpert
>> Mailto: <[email protected]>[email protected]
>> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444, ext. 318
>> Live Assistance, Please visit: <http://www.ipexpert.com/chat>
>> www.ipexpert.com/chat
>> eFax: +1.810.454.0130
>>
>> IPexpert is a premier provider of Classroom and Self-Study Cisco CCNA
>> (R&S, Voice & Security), CCNP, CCVP, CCSP and CCIE (R&S, Voice, Security &
>> Service Provider) Certification Training with locations throughout the
>> United States, Europe and Australia. Be sure to check out our online
>> communities at <http://www.ipexpert.com/communities>
>> www.ipexpert.com/communities and our public website at
>> <http://www.ipexpert.com>www.ipexpert.com
>>
>>
>> On Nov 10, 2009, at 8:14 PM, ali pourvahabi < <[email protected]>
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> I have gone through both of them , and i found INE better than IPEXPERT  ,
>> before making any decision compare INE COD with Audio file from IPEXPERT . I
>> bought both and in my opinion IPEXPERT is not good material for SP and it
>> was mistake for me.
>>
>> Ali
>>
>> 2009/11/10 ali pourvahabi < <[email protected]> <[email protected]>
>> [email protected]>
>>
>>> Hi Andre ,
>>>
>>> The IPEXPERT material won't be enough i recommend INE material as well ,
>>>
>>>
>>> Ali
>>>
>>> 2009/11/9 André Luiz Bernardes < 
>>> <[email protected]><[email protected]>
>>> [email protected]>
>>>
>>>> Yep... It's almost impossible to get a seat in SP (Sao Paulo). It
>>>> appears there only ONE seat offer per month for Service Provider here, can 
>>>> u
>>>> believe? But I had luck once I am sure I will again...  the secret is that
>>>> the schedule system covers just the next 240 days on the calendar so it
>>>> slides every day at 0am PST. If the new date is a business day and you are
>>>> the first to search at 0:00:01am you have a little chance to get your seat
>>>> for 8 months later...  or just watch the website every day to see if any
>>>> dropped seat appears. In Sao Paulo is even worst, the proctor told me that
>>>> exams are given only on the first week of each month for 3 times (Mon, Wed,
>>>> Fri) where THE SP seat is on Fridays... you got to be kidding me!!!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>> As for the management questions they were 2 simple questions, but one of
>>>> them was a little bit more elaborated and I couldn’t complete it as I
>>>> decided to  skip it and get back to my main L2 issue. At that time I 
>>>> already
>>>> knew that I wouldn't make it.  I had to reload the routers twice. I can
>>>> recall exactly the exact problem now, but I believe was something with TE
>>>> and redistribution…
>>>>
>>>> Andre
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Matt Hill < 
>>>> <[email protected]><[email protected]>
>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  All SP locations are full to at least April. You want SP in SP*?
>>>>> forget it!
>>>>>
>>>>> *Sao Paulo
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On 10/11/2009, at 8:45, Rick Mur < <[email protected]><[email protected]>
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>  Hi Lala,
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry I thought these locations were always quite open in terms of SP
>>>>> seats, that was the case when I was scheduling for it.
>>>>> IT seems they filled up completely up completely up to April.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>
>>>>> Rick Mur
>>>>> CCIE2 #21946 (R&S / Service Provider)
>>>>> Sr. Support Engineer – IPexpert, Inc.
>>>>> URL: <http://www.ipexpert.com/> 
>>>>> <http://www.ipexpert.com/><http://www.IPexpert.com>
>>>>> http://www.IPexpert.com
>>>>>
>>>>>  On 9 nov 2009, at 22:38, Lala Lander wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> mmm Rick, where are you seeing those seats? I dont see any.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 12:04 PM, Rick Mur < 
>>>>> <[email protected]><[email protected]><[email protected]>
>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>  Hi Andre,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for sharing your experience! Indeed the L2 stuff in the lab
>>>>>> can be tricky especially with PPPoE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keep up the good work and don't hesitate to ask any questions on this
>>>>>> list, there's a lot of SP knowledge available
>>>>>>  here :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You could try and do the lab in San Jose or RTP as there are a lot of
>>>>>> seats open in those locations.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rick Mur
>>>>>> CCIE2 #21946 (R&S, Service provider)
>>>>>> Sr. Support Engineer -- IPexpert, Inc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9 nov 2009, at 20:45, Lala Lander < 
>>>>>> <[email protected]><[email protected]><[email protected]>
>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  gotcha and agreed :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2009/11/9 André Luiz Bernardes < 
>>>>>> <[email protected]><[email protected]><[email protected]><[email protected]>
>>>>>> [email protected]>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Well, I dont want to violate nda rules, but it's well know that basic
>>>>>>> L2 is preconfigured but you may encounter some troubleshooting
>>>>>>> or some portions with specific requirements. My problem was that I 
>>>>>>> wasn’t
>>>>>>> full prepared for what they asked and some research on documentation 
>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>> be needed. Definitively the real lab is not the best time to try 
>>>>>>> something
>>>>>>> you never did before...
>>>>>>> A
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 2009/11/9 Lala Lander < <[email protected]> 
>>>>>>> <[email protected]><[email protected]><[email protected]>
>>>>>>> [email protected]>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> When you say L2 basics, you meant to say you could not bring your
>>>>>>>> frame-relay or ethernet or PPP. I thought frame-relay is preconfigured 
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> PPP in my opinion you can always skip and come back later.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 2009/11/9 André Luiz Bernardes < 
>>>>>>>> <[email protected]><[email protected]><[email protected]><[email protected]>
>>>>>>>> [email protected]>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   Hello guys
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Unfortunately I’ve failed in my first attempt on the CCIE Service
>>>>>>>>> Provider exam. Eventhough I had I put all efforts and dedication on 
>>>>>>>>> it, I
>>>>>>>>> wasn’t really expecting to pass on the first attempt. It was just 2 
>>>>>>>>> months
>>>>>>>>> of study since I passed the written. I decided to go to the lab with 
>>>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>>>> short time pretty aware that this could happen. It’s very hard to get 
>>>>>>>>> a seat
>>>>>>>>> in Sao Paulo/Brazil for SP and I couldn’t miss the chance to get lab
>>>>>>>>> experience ( or even pass ) when I found one seat available on Cisco
>>>>>>>>> Website, probably from somebody dropped due to payment.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I am using IPExpert as the main guide for my preparation and I can
>>>>>>>>> tell you know that they are really good and cover in different pieces 
>>>>>>>>> every
>>>>>>>>> topics we you need to pass de exam. I’m also using INE and practicing 
>>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>>> scenarios proposed by Antonio Soares on his website.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What I can tell you about my experience is that I failed on the
>>>>>>>>> basics: L2 (legacy), basic security and management. As many questions 
>>>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>>>> interdependent on the evaluation, I lost points everywhere eventhough 
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> could complete most of the other tasks. I was pretty much well 
>>>>>>>>> prepared for
>>>>>>>>> worst and didn’t pay attention to basic stuff.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now I will take some weeks off and then get back to IPE workbook 1
>>>>>>>>> to focus on my weak areas and also some book reading, probably MPLS
>>>>>>>>> Fundamentals.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At the end, I think the result was fair. If could complete those
>>>>>>>>> basic tasks, I am not a Cisco Expert, YET!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> CYA
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Andre Vasquez
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training,
>>>>>>>>> please visit <http://www.ipexpert.com/> 
>>>>>>>>> <http://www.ipexpert.com/><http://www.ipexpert.com/><http://www.ipexpert.com>
>>>>>>>>> www.ipexpert.com
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  _______________________________________________
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>>>>> www.ipexpert.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>> www.ipexpert.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> www.ipexpert.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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