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The learning community also has Google+ and other social media accounts. There is one team that manages most of the social media and another team that manages the learning community. I am sure they will listen and bubble up the input they receive. Volume counts. -Bill -- William Bell, CCIE #38914 blog: http://ucguerrilla.com twitter: @ucguerrilla On May 29, 2013, at 8:30 PM, Somphol Boonjing wrote: > Bill, > > Thanks for the twitter account, I just send out my feedback too. > > I think another point that needs clarification I think is what guidelines is > used to EOL the certification? > > Without transparency, the risk to have sudden and unexplained EOL > announcement of any CCIE track can be very real. > > Without the guideline, no one would know in advance whether "CCIE > Collaboration" will be retired and the new track is created as "CCIE Synergy" > when CUCM is upgraded to version 14.1 in 3-5 years? What makes us think > this is a one off? What if the guidelines clearly stated that if the > material changes for 30%, the track will be retired and a new track will be > created? (What if this is an implicit guideline on their port?) Will > people still think it is worth the effort? > > The lack of transparency and guidelines on how the decision is reached make > the CCIE cert easily one of the most risky investment of time and commitment. > It is hard, required high level of commitment and can be short-lived without > proper communication upfront. > > By the way, I don't think Cisco will lose money over this. Imaging a few > year from now, CCIE Voice will be faded away and will totally be useless. > All the job ads will be for CCIE Collaboration. Do you think more and more > former CCIE Voice will reset the CCIE Collaboration lab knowing that the new > material is not that much anyway. The exam however is tricky and picky, and > on average it take some thing like 3.xx times to pass it. (OK, I will > discount it to 2 attempts for former CCIE Voice) So assuming 50% of > exiting CCIE Voice holders -- appx 1500 - 2000 of them takes this path, Cisco > wouldn't be losing revenue do they? > > 2000 (50% of current CCIE Voice Holder) x $1500 (Lab cost) x 2 (On average, > two attempts) = $6,000,000.- > > Mind you that $6 million is nothing for the company of its size, but the > point is they won't be losing money. > > > > > > --Somphol > > > On Thu, May 30, 2013 at 6:31 AM, William Bell <b...@ucguerrilla.com> wrote: > Yeah, it is kind of ironic that the collaboration feature is disabled in a > collaborative community article on the IE Collaboration cert. > > BTW, the twitter handle you can use to get the message to a broader audience > is @LearningAtCisco. I think it is a good idea to direct messages to these > folks. Of course I recommend being polite. > > -Bill > > -- > William Bell, CCIE #38914 > blog: http://ucguerrilla.com > twitter: @ucguerrilla > > > > > On May 29, 2013, at 4:20 PM, Martin Sloan wrote: > >> I thought so too. I could see if it was getting obnoxious but all of the >> comments were pretty professional. >> >> >> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 4:12 PM, William Bell <b...@ucguerrilla.com> wrote: >> They did disable commenting. That's interesting. >> >> >> -- >> William Bell, CCIE #38914 >> blog: http://ucguerrilla.com >> twitter: @ucguerrilla >> >> >> >> >> On May 29, 2013, at 2:24 PM, Martin Sloan wrote: >> >>> Is it just me or did they disable commenting on the v4 lab topics post? >>> >>> https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-20804 >>> >>> I wanted to commend William Bell on hitting the nail on the head and put my >>> own 2 cents in. I'm able to place a comment in the equipment list post >>> here: https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-20804 but not the other. >>> >>> Does anyone have comment options on the exam topics page? >>> >>> >>> On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:10 PM, Rrcrumm <rrcr...@yahoo.com> wrote: >>> Ben Ng comes to mind >>> >>> On May 29, 2013, at 7:28 AM, Leslie Meade <leslie.me...@lvs1.com> wrote: >>> >>> > The question is... what if anything can we do ? >>> > Where would we start.. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > -------- Original message -------- >>> > From: Mark Holloway <m...@markholloway.com> >>> > Date: >>> > To: Bill Lake <whl...@gmail.com> >>> > Cc: OSL Group <ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com>,Vik Malhi >>> > <vma...@ipexpert.com> >>> > Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Collaboration officially announced >>> > >>> > >>> > Granted we all know that taking any CCIE Written will allow us to remain >>> > CCIE's even if Voice is retired, but I think the frustration is Voice and >>> > Collaboration are not THAT far apart and no matter how you look at it, it >>> > all falls under Cisco Unified Communications, which is what the name of >>> > the new CCIE really should be anyway. The core of the Voice blueprint is >>> > still there. The Collaboration equipment list looks like a refresh of >>> > current products, not a forklift of one technology replacing another. >>> > >>> > In my opinion this was too harsh of a move to retire Voice and start over >>> > again with Collaboration. There are too many similarities between the >>> > two. >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > On May 29, 2013, at 7:10 AM, Bill Lake >>> > <whl...@gmail.com<mailto:whl...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Ranting about it won't change anything. I read on line that when they >>> > retire your CCIE, you can still renew by passing a CCIE level written or >>> > lab. If this is true then you do not loose your CCIE just the voice tag. >>> > >>> > That seems to be a difficult pill to swallow but it would not be the >>> > first from my reading. Storage had this happen earlier this year as have >>> > several others. See here with the snippet. Now the second is a wiki so >>> > we would want official confirmation. >>> > >>> > https://learningnetwork.cisco.com/docs/DOC-17226 >>> > >>> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_Career_Certifications#Retired_CCIE_tracks >>> > Retired CCIE tracks >>> > >>> > Some previously awarded CCIE specializations have been retired by Cisco. >>> > These are: >>> > >>> > * WAN Switching CCIE (Essentially a specialisation focusing on the >>> > IGX/BPX switch products, which had been acquired as part of the >>> > StrataCom<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StrataCom> acquisition) >>> > * ISP Dial CCIE >>> > * SNA/IP Integration CCIE (aka CCIE Blue) >>> > * Design CCIE (NOTE: The CCIE Design and CCDE are completely different >>> > design tests in format and subjects examined) >>> > >>> > People who hold these now-retired certifications can remain CCIEs, >>> > provided they continue to take recertification exams. They now hold the >>> > title "CCIE", rather than CCIE Security, or some other specialization. >>> > >>> > So if we can get official confirmation that we won't be stripped of CCIE >>> > if you pass the voice lab, it might be good, for those of us that have >>> > already passed we don't get a chance to change our minds for those that >>> > have yet to pass, this might be incentive to change your goal. >>> > >>> > Bill >>> > >>> > >>> > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 3:29 AM, m george >>> > <m.george00...@gmail.com<mailto:m.george00...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> > Vik, >>> > >>> > A 2nd grader can pass RS/Sec/SP much much easier than Voice IE. Voice is >>> > still the toughest one & i know some double IE's who couldn't pass Voice. >>> > If Cisco has lost faith in re-cert, that should apply to every track, not >>> > just Voice. >>> > >>> > Naturally, they should have renamed Certification to Voice/Collaboration >>> > or Voice/Video etc & introduced new version. If they had to do this >>> > retiring thing, why didn't they do when they introduced V3 from V2 ? Old >>> > days of Call Manager based on Windows & literally everything based on >>> > windows, Analog endpoints/VGs/ATAs etc. Retiring CCIE Voice makes no >>> > sense whatsoever whether be it from marketing point of view or any other. >>> > Why can't big buck makers at Cisco just rename a Cert rather than do >>> > something completely rubbish. >>> > >>> > With just one announcement, they have made many people lose faith in >>> > Certification process. I am sure Voice labs will be the most deserted >>> > labs until Feb 2014. >>> > >>> > At the end of day, we can only request Cisco to "re-consider" this >>> > decision. I hope folks concerned "collaborate" & put their suggestions >>> > forward on Cisco Support Community & direct to Cisco Certification teams >>> > so they "realize" what they are doing is NOT right. >>> > >>> > I will take some months for us to digest this news. >>> > >>> > Thanks >>> > >>> > On Wed, May 29, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Vik Malhi >>> > <vma...@ipexpert.com<mailto:vma...@ipexpert.com>> wrote: >>> > As I said before - I would think product marketing had something to say >>> > about this. Just my opinion. Why for the last 4 years has there been a >>> > lack of Microsoft products in the exam? Are Microsoft are not relevant or >>> > it Marketing bullying the content team? >>> > >>> > At the same time there are many folks out there with a voice IE who can't >>> > spell SIP. So what do you do about those folks? >>> > >>> > Historically Cisco have trusted their recertification process as a valid >>> > check and balance. >>> > >>> > It looks like they have lost a bit of faith in the written exams as a >>> > valid means to recertification- and that is no surprise to any of us as >>> > we all know a 2nd grader could pass one of those exams (and I don't >>> > condone the means through which that is possible). >>> > >>> > When the dust has settled I will be advising all existing voice IE's two >>> > things: look at this as an extra challenge that will reap extra reward >>> > and secondly - diversify. Collaboration expertise in the very literal >>> > sense cannot be confined to a monolithic single vendor application time >>> > test that is going to occur . I would have thought a true collaboration >>> > expert would (if not now, never) be encouraged to seek skills and >>> > experience from a wider spectrum of vendors. >>> > >>> > Rant over. >>> > >>> > On May 28, 2013, at 20:14, Hesham Abdelkereem >>> > <heshamcentr...@gmail.com<mailto:heshamcentr...@gmail.com>> wrote: >>> > >>> > Yes its really frustrating what Cisco is doing to us. >>> > Ok let me tell you this. >>> > People now have invested a lot of money in pursuing their CCIE Voice that >>> > includes (Verious Workbook fees , Rack Rentals , Home Lab building , >>> > travel expenses and Lab fees attempts for whatever times) >>> > So when people achieve CCIE Voice nowadays a year or two later it would >>> > be considered old and grandfathered. >>> > Also , Cisco has released a new lab for 2 months while they are planning >>> > to abolish the whole syllabus. >>> > Why they do that to us???? They already make money out of everything >>> > especially lab multiple times of lab attempts per each person. >>> > >>> > CCIE Voice achievers has to send cisco request for Migration without Lab >>> > test. >>> > CCVP it was automatically migrated to CCNP Voice without any additional >>> > tests. >>> > CCNA is migrated to CCNA R/S without any additional tests. >>> > In case of Video part then I suggest whether they force CCIE Voice people >>> > to make CCNA VIDEO or CCNP Video if they will release or they make just a >>> > migration lab track that includes VIDEO stuff only for a cheaper fee >>> > something like $500. >>> > >>> > Thats same for MICROSOFT they abolished MCSE to change it to MCITP people >>> > usually just add 2 tracks to become full MCITP same when they migrate to >>> > new MCSE (Microsoft Certified Solutions Experts) there is only an upgrade >>> > track rather than taking the whole 5 tracks again. >>> > >>> > >>> > Cisco obviously has to do something like that.It's really unfair retiring >>> > the whole cisco voice totally. >>> > Guys to make the new Collaboration lab that would cost anyone over 50K to >>> > buy telepresence , X9XX routers stuff , 9971 Video Phones , TV's and etc.. >>> > Even the rack rentals would be 5 times the old voice track as the >>> > equipment would be way more expensive. >>> > >>> > Seriously , We have to agree all of us from multiple different voice >>> > study group to have a migration track to Collaboration please share your >>> > thoughts guys >>> > [X] >>> > >>> > >>> > On 28 May 2013 18:56, Mark Holloway >>> > <m...@markholloway.com<mailto:m...@markholloway.com>> wrote: >>> > Bummer, I was really hoping CCIE Voice candidates would transition to >>> > Collaboration without any additional lab exams. >>> > >>> > On May 28, 2013, at 7:08 PM, Vik Malhi >>> > <vma...@ipexpert.com<mailto:vma...@ipexpert.com>> wrote: >>> > >>> >> For my initial reaction read here: >>> >> >>> >> http://bit.ly/12MNK5t >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> Vik Malhi – CCIE #13890 >>> >> Managing Partner - IPexpert, Inc. >>> >> >>> >> Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 ext 420<tel:%2B1.810.326.1444%20ext%20420> >>> >> Fax: +1.810.454.0130<tel:%2B1.810.454.0130> >>> >> Mailto: vma...@ipexpert.com<mailto:vma...@ipexpert.com> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >>> >> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, >>> >> please visit www.ipexpert.com<http://www.ipexpert.com/> >>> >> >>> >> Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? 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