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There goes the summary [Boaz Shannan (BA), Mischa Machius (MM), Jan Donhalek (JD) and Flip Hoedemaeker (FH) answered] : - FH (and later one the lab itself here) pointed the solution: include one more neighbour atom as alternate. That worked the way I want, and even without the need for cloning so many atoms. Taking advantage of the on-going question, how should this be considered for long side chains ? I recall to have read a message in the ccp4bb, but I cannot remember exactly, the might be some limitations to this, ie, you must clone until at least a certain atom. I tried to recover this message, but I could never set the right keyword to make it come out of google. Suppose you have an alternate for just the NZ of LYS, where should the alternate go up to ? - Thanks to BS for recalling the convention from PDB. My resolution does not allow to use shelxl, but should be enough to argue for an alternate conformation. - As MM remembers, it is worth to note that not only the (clearly) alternate atoms have different position, but one ones to which they are attach might many times be in slightly different places. - JD points that many times there is the need to model the whole molecule as alternate; maybe a water molecule might account for the "extra" (I must say kind of weak) blob nearby. That shold be born in mind, but in this case it looks more liek an alternate conformaiton for the oxgyen. Concerning alternating the whole molecule, I observed again the same phenomenon described below, similar molecules sharing (most of) the same position, in spite of occ sum < = 1, have b-factors set apart and one pushed out of the density. Thanks for all that replied, I still raise the question about where to clone the side chain atoms up to, including the refinement program restrictions (geometrically, it seems sensible that if I clone a CB I should also clone a CA) ?

Jorge



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Dear all,

I am refining a structure and I can see much "clearly" that a glycerol is bound very near the active site with alternate conformation for one of the oxygens (let's say, O3). I tried to "clone" sole this oxygen (geometry and hydrogen bond contacts should allow for the two conformations, as the electron density points) according to the rules for residues (A and B flags - OK, I shoud still check how this is allowed in PDB rules for a ligand), but refmac seems to ignore the geomterical restraints to these "cloned oxygens" and the geometry is somehow distorted thereby. One solution is to clone the whole glycerol molecule (what would increase the number of parameters, cloning atoms that in principle would not need so), but that goes again to the question that one of the alternates has its B factor lowered while the other is increased during refinement. CNS is a solution, but I will miss TLS in this case and yet the question of jumping between programs with other alternate side chains, etc.... Any better solution for this ? Might I make a "fake" glycerol with two alternate oxygens and generate a special dictionary for it ? Maybe this question is not all irrelevant as cryocrystallography is around and each time more high resolution data allow you to observe this.
   Thanks,

Jorge

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