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Dear Lattice Obsessed:

The issue of cell parameters has come up on ccp4bb before, and determination
of accurate cell constants is a non trivial issue.

First, accuracy and precision are separate things requiring different 
corrective approaches. Generally, a LSQ of the hkls can give you a quite
precise
estimate, but to obtain accurate parameters, you need internal standards or 
extrapolation techniques to 2theta=180, where effects like absorption,
sample 
thickness, secondary extinction etc approach zero. I have a summary of those
at
http://ruppweb.dyndns.org/weblat/weblat_description.htm 

The option to directly measure those reflections at high thetas (eg Bond's
method) is nil 
for proteins, and extrapolation from the poor thetas we have is equally
risquee.  
In addition, internal standards are necessary to account for instrument,
wavelength and other systematic errors that do not cancel out.
Given that, temperature becomes the next issue, and if you give cell
constants
to 5 or 6 digits, you better know the temperature accurately.
Finally, protein crystals probably show different temperature behavior than
comparable isotropic small molecule/solid materials, and I would expect that
to
a large degree cell changes happen via displacive events at molecular 
contacts, and it is relatively safe to assume from physics that the bulk
material does
not undergo large bond length changes. Given that, the assumption made by
whatcheck 
that the cell should be compatible with known bond restraints remains
reasonable. Unfortunately, as mentioned, the remedy is unclear and I yet
need to see a case where the - in principle valid - application of the 
deformation matrix makes a significant difference in biological
interpretation.
Why it is not selfconsistent and does not converge and often flips around
when 
applied I do not quite understand. Has anyone ever iterated this to the
bitter end of 
(non)convergence? 

best regards, BR 

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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of
Artem Evdokimov
Sent: Tuesday, November 29, 2005 4:40 PM
To: Edward Berry; CCP4BB
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb]: ice lattice parameters - was: WHATCHECK Deformation
Matrix - is it advisable to c orrect the cell ?

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On the subject of calibration with crystals - In the good old days (not
really all that long ago) I used to do calibrations using sucrose crystals.
The advantage of the latter is that you can always find some laying around
(e.g. in sugar packets near the coffee machine).

Lattice parameters for sucrose can be readily obtained from e.g. the CSD.

Artem 

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