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  I looked at a test this morning before I sent my original post and
observed the unit cell from the first .x file being placed in the 
output .sca file header.  With so many counter examples, I went back 
and ran some more tests.  It seems to depend on what keywords you use 
whether or not the updated values are put in the .sca file.  The way we 
typically run scalepack from the C-shell scripts, the postrefined cell values 
do NOT make it into thee .sca file.  (This is with v1.98.3 on OSF1)

>From postrefinement
 CELL   61.3725   62.6230   70.3258   90.0000   90.0000   90.0000      270285.3
 A  11001   61.3725    0.0032
 B  11001   62.6230    0.0023
 C  11001   70.3258    0.0036
>From first .x file
 unit cell   61.465   64.507   70.708   90.000   90.000   90.000
from .sca file
  61.465    64.507    70.708    90.000    90.000    90.000 p222 

  After looking at the scale.in file produced by HKL2000 (which
does put the postrefined cell values in the .sca file). I found that
there are several small changes that will "break" the undocumented
feature Phil and Ed are relying on and one will end up with the cell 
from the first .x file in the .sca file header.

  For example, the hkl2000 generated scale.in file uses an undocumented
parameter for the fit command (fit cell). If I change this to 3 fit commands
(for a* b* and c* as outlined in the manual) for an orthorhombic crystal, 
the postrefined cell values were not be placed in the .sca file header.  
Another 
change that resulted in the postrefined cell not being added to the .sca file 
header was to comment out the 'reference film' command.  Without this command
the cell from the first .x file is placed in the .sca header.

  Simply changing my script file to include a reference film and use fit cell
in place of fit a* fit b* and fit c* commands did not result in the post-refined
values being placed in the .sca file. So I suspect there are more combinations
of keywords that will prevent the postrefined values from being placed in
the .sca header.

  Based on my tests and Alessio's original post, I would caution that one 
check the header to confirm that they are getting the post-refined values
if they use their own scalepack scripts or edit the scalepack input files 
from HKL2000.

Regards,
Mitch



-----Original Message-----
From: Phil Jeffrey [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, January 10, 2006 8:25 AM
To: Miller, Mitchell D.
Cc: Edward Berry; Alessio Accardi; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb]: Unit Cell Parameters

Miller, Mitchell D. wrote:
> The behavior you attribute to early versions of scalepack is still
> described in the current manual.

Which assumes that they updated the manual when they updated the 
software.  I've seen the same behavior that Ed Berry reported.

Here is an example with 1.97.2 on Linux, run again just now to check:

Cell from .sca file:
125.486   125.486    59.256    90.000    90.000    90.000

Cell from first .x (denzo output) file:
126.422  126.422   59.575   90.000   90.000   90.000

Cell from postrefinement in scalepack:
125.486 125.486  59.256  90.000  90.000  90.000

It would be very interesting to hear from anyone running 1.97 or later 
that did NOT see this behavior, since like Ed I've come to rely 
on/expect this new behavior.

Regards,
Phil Jeffrey
Princeton

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