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On a related issue, we found that highly conserved water molecules tend to
be present in both cryo structures and room temperature ones.


> From: Bart Hazes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Date: Fri, 31 Mar 2006 08:24:40 -0700
> To: Martyn Winn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: Prem kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, ccp4bb <[email protected]>
> Subject: Re: [ccp4bb]: solvent at low resolution
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> A lot of the structures analysed by Carugo and Bordo were done at room
> temperature. We and others found that you see about double the number of
> waters in cryo-structures and at least in the 1.8 to 0.8 Angstrom range
> we didn't see the number increase much, at least not for first shell
> waters. I don't know how this holds up at moderate resolution, but at
> low resolution it remains in my opinion hard to convincingly prove there
> is a water. After all if Carugo and Bordo predict zero waters at 3.5 A
> and more recent data suggests there are twice as many at 100K then that
> still amounts to zero waters.
> 
> Bart
> 
> PS: other effects of cryo cooling can be found in
> Dunlop et al. (2005) Pros and cons of cryocrystallography: should we
> also collect a room-temperature data set? Acta Cryst D61, 80-87.
> 
> Martyn Winn wrote:
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>> The analysis of Carugo and Bordo, Acta Cryst D55, 479 (1999)
>> as implemented in the CCP4 program RWCONTENTS, suggests
>> that you shouldn't see any waters at 3.5A.
>> 
>> Their analysis was based on PDB structures, so this just
>> confirms your own observations. And it is therefore based
>> on working practice rather than any explicit justification.
>> 
>> Of course, this is only a guide, and doesn't preclude
>> identifying e.g. well-defined conserved water sites.
>> 
>> Cheers
>> Martyn
>> 
>> On Thu, 30 Mar 2006, Prem kumar wrote:
>> 
>> 
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>>> Dear all,
>>> 
>>> I am refining structure at 3.5 A resolution. the
>>> protein has 340 residues. CNS water_pick gave me 80
>>> water molecules. out of that ~50 are in resonably good
>>> density. when i go through PDBs at this resolution
>>> many people didnt add water. my question is, can I add
>>> water molecules in this resolution, or upto what
>>> resolution. please quote if any reference regarding
>>> this case.
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance!
>>> 
>>> with regards
>>> prem
>>> 
>>> 
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