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The Ramachandran plots you used to define outliers, do they predate the
Richardson-Richardson ones?  Because, invoking WWW:  without the resolution,
how can you justify Ramachandran outliers?  (The old procheck Rama plot
hasn't been updated since 1991, I gather...)

yes, they do - our definition was derived more than 10 years ago (using resolution and B-factor cut-offs - see the original paper, Structure 1996). some time ago it was argued on ccp4bb that any ramachandran definition that didn't include the gamma-turn region was not worth it's money. however, this is nonsense. for model-validation purposes there is no harm in that - we use the ramachandran plot to identify outliers that are potential errors in the model. therefore, having 'allowed regions' that are (too) small is not a problem - you will get a few false positives (residues flagged as outliers which are really okay) but no false negatives (compared to programs with more permissive allowed regions). the problem with procheck's definitions is that they are too 'nice' - you can easily have residues that are in error but not flagged as outliers by procheck.

also, once again - ramachandran outliers can be one of two things: an error in the model (that needs to be corrected if possible), or a genuine (albeit unusual) feature of the structure (that suggests there is local strain, so the residue may be of functional or structural significance). therefore, it is silly to attempt to get a model with no outliers at all - these are indeed very rare. all the more so at low resolution. and all the more-more so if the outliers are 'fixed' by twiddling phi/psi. if there is something fishy about a residue's phi/psi (not supported by rock-solid density), this is an indication that you may need to do some local rebuilding (e.g., flip a peptide, or rebuild a mobile loop). you may also need to look at other quality indicators to be able to diagnose the problem (a program like OOPS helps you do that in a systematic fashion).

here endeth today's reading from the gospel of ramachandran.

--dvd

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