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This points to another issue that would be interesting to have discussed in the
ccp4bb: the guys at EBI always renumber the solvent molecules, ions
and/or ligands
following a so-called uniformatory convention during coordinate deposition. 
This is rather annoying because it leads to interested readers of the
paper associated to a structure not being able to follow the discussion
while looking at the coordinates without
getting heavily confused.

What is the experience of other people ?  Do the guys in Rutgers also do this ?

Would it be possible to make a lobby and get the PDB NOT TO CHANGE anything we
don“t want to have changed in the structures that are supposed to be
submitted and
dsposited BY US? This is as if I went to the bank to deposit some money
in what's theore-
tically my account and that it was actually the clerk that told me how
much I have to deposit !

Alternatively, would it be possible to incorporate a small program into
the ccp4i gui to
apply exactle the changes the PDB do and keep this fuzzy numbering during 
the end stages
of refinement and then for the writing up of the paper ? Maybe some
feedback with the
PDB-desk would be appreaciated in this case.

Best,
Xavier



On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 8:14:45 +0000 Garib Murshudov wrote:

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There is a resolution in the output. In fact two lines:

REMARK   3  DATA USED IN REFINEMENT.
REMARK   3   RESOLUTION RANGE HIGH (ANGSTROMS) :   1.97
REMARK   3   RESOLUTION RANGE LOW  (ANGSTROMS) :  68.36

Refmac does not write REMARK 2. Refmac writes only REMARK 3

Garib

On 6 Dec 2006, at 07:45, R.P. Joosten wrote:

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> Dear All,
>
> The REMARK 2 (resolution) card is also missing from the Refmac  
> output. There are quite a few programs that rely on that value. Can  
> that one be added as well?
> Adding the matrix weight to the header may help us to reproduce the  
> results of the original refinement. At the moment, this is still  
> very difficult to say the least.
>
> Cheers,
> Robbie Joosten
> Centre for Molecular and Biomolecular Informatics
>
> Bernhard Rupp wrote:
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>> refmac writes a very useful header on top
>> of the PDB files which it refined. That header is
>> again read by autodep at the EBI and becomes
>> part of the PDB file.
>> I think there is one important parameter missing
>> which is needed to reproduce the refinement:
>> The matrix weight used. Could that be included in
>> the refinement REMARK section?
>> Thx, br
>> --------------------------------------------
>> Bernhard Rupp
>> www.ruppweb.org               
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