I have found in my usenet adventures that usenet mavens often point
to this link before trying to sort out among themselves exactly what
level of humor to take with dubious posts:
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Of course usenet mavens also complain a little too much about "top-
posting"--an aspect of ccp4bb that gives it special charm.
James
On Mar 1, 2007, at 1:31 AM, Gerard DVD Kleywegt wrote:
gruzi dirk,
come on - lighten up a little! your reply wasn't funny or helpful
either - just moralising. (by the way - 't is a strange fact that
whenever i get any negative reactions to my own postings they stem
*exclusively* from any or all of these three countries: the us,
germany and switzerland. positive reactions, on the other hand, are
typically from (again) the us and the uk. i think there might be a
phd thesis in there for some cultural anthropologist)
to address your point - we are here to try and answer queries, not
to teach people crystallography from the ground up. that's what
supervisors are for. and my advice to students without (access to)
crystallographically trained supervisors would be to apply for a
good course (e.g., the one in cold spring harbor every autumn), to
move elsewhere or to not do crystallography (so as to avoid mono-,
di-, tri-, tetra- or pentaretractions, which tend to be a bit of a
blot on anyone's cv)
i think this is the point that the people who replied "carefully"
etc. were making, albeit more succinctly and humourously (albeit a
trifle sarcastically, perhaps). moreover, these replies came from
people who have contributed seriously to ccp4bb on numerous occasions!
look, we're all busy, and time-waster postings are annoying. such
postings, and moralisations about "good style", can eventually tee
off the experts who take the time to share their knowledge and
expertise. if joe bloggs, who never posts anything, is annoyed by
one of my posts and unsubscribes, that's his loss. if, however,
people like tassos unsubscribe it's *our* loss!
so, dear subscribers: before posting a question - ask your
supervisor and/or your colleagues. if they can't help you, search
the web with google (in many cases your question will have been
asked, and answered, before). if you're still not happy, then by
all means post a message to the appropriate bulletin board
darn! look what you've made me do! now i'm moralising myself! guess
i'd better move to switzerland then ;-)
--dvd
On Thu, 1 Mar 2007, Dirk Kostrewa wrote:
Hi Mark,
although Shivesh's question was not very specific, and he should
have clearly given some more informations about what he would like
to know, he is probably a beginner in crystallography and simply
asked for help on this board. Not everyone has always time or is
always in the mood to answer such questions. In my opinion, it's
then better not to respond at all than to give an answer like
yours that is neither helpful nor funny! We all should try to keep
a good style here.
Dirk.
Mark J. van Raaij wrote:
why don't you just send all your images to the ccp4bb, then we'll
process them, solve the structure and publish it for you.
And we might put you in the acknowledgements, if you are lucky.
Mark
On 28 Feb 2007, at 16:35, Jonathan Grimes wrote:
Anastassis Perrakis wrote:
On Feb 28, 2007, at 14:37, shivesh kumar wrote:
Dear all,
I have a data set at 2.2A, of the selenomethionene labelled
protein.How should I process the data.
Carefully !
Thanx for the help.
Shivesh
Tassos
i am sure what tassos really meant was "Very Carefully !"
jon
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University Research Lecturer
Division of Structural Biology
Wellcome Trust Centre for Human Genetics
University of Oxford
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Dpto de Bioquímica, Facultad de Farmacia
and
Unidad de Rayos X, Edificio CACTUS
Universidad de Santiago
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Spain
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Paul Scherrer Institut
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--gerard
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