Dear Eleonor and Bullitin board people,
I would like to comment on the "weird numbering schemes" mentioned in the email 
below. Although they make life (slightly) more difficult for developers of 
crystallographic software, they make life much easier for many of the rest of 
the world and have been introduced for good reasons by some very good 
crystallographers. I work with 6 different serine proteases, all numbered 
according to the chymotrypsin numbering scheme, introduced by Wolfram Bode. 
Here one immediately knows which residues are the active site residues and one 
can easily superimpose the structures by superimposing identical residue 
numbers without first having to do a sequence alignement, or looking into some 
table to find equivalent residues. Also by now, a vast amount of literature has 
accumulated with this numbering scheme. It is very nice to be able to read 
these papers without having to frequently consult sequence alignments. I also 
work with different protein families where no such consensus sequences exist 
and this is much more cumbersome.

The programs I have been using until very recently: CNS and Quanta did not have 
any trouble handling these consensus sequences. However, the more recent 
programs Refmac, Coot and Pymol are not able to handle these consenses 
sequences properly. Of course, workarounds like renumbering to some linear 
sequence before refining, and renumbering back to the original sequence 
afterwards are possible. However, these kinds of workarounds to compensate for 
weaknesses in software are something I find archaic. But that is again a 
personal view. 

Herman Schreuder


-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Im Auftrag von Eleanor Dodson
Gesendet: Dienstag, 10. April 2007 11:09
An: [email protected]
Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] antibody refinement in REFMAC with Kabat numbering

John Pak wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> I'm currently refining an Fab structure.  All was going reasonably 
> well until I renumbered the PDB according to the Kabat numbering 
> convention.  After which, REFMAC does not refine the inserted residues 
> properly (ie. residues 82A, 82B, 100A, 100B, 100C, etc.).  It refines 
> these residues into a steric jumble.  I think REFMAC can't recognize 
> that the residues are connected or something.
>
> So my question is, how do you refine this type of PDB in REFMAC?  Or 
> do you just wait until the refinement is done, then change all the 
> residue numbers and connect entries in the header afterwards?
>
>
Yes! - or better, let the deposition site renumber if they must.. I feel these 
weird numbering schemes are archaic - we can easily align sequences and see 
that 82A is actually 83 etc.. But that is a personal view.

Eleanor

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