Thanks  to everyone  for all the great suggestions.
 
Regarding which mtz to use as a starting point, advice was to either re-run 
scala selecting the option to output unmerged reflections, "scaled, unmerged & 
no outliers" under "Customize scala process" in ccp4i (Miguel Ortiz Lombardía), 
or to go ahead and use the merged intensities from the previous Truncate job 
(Carlos Frazao).
 
Regarding Free-R selection, the consensus was that it will be better to use the 
thin shells method to select a new set; SHELXPRO has an option to do this 
automatically (Miguel, Carlos, Artem Lyubimov).  Of course, most pointed out 
that this will necessitate going back to the original MR model, rather than 
picking up from the refmac refined model.
 
Peter Zwart and Mark Mayer both suggested the new development version of 
phenix.refine as an alternative (and easy to use, they promise) refinement 
program that can deal with twinned data.
 
Thanks again,
Evette
 
Evette S. Radisky, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor and Associate Consultant II
Mayo Clinic Cancer Center
Griffin Cancer Research Building, Rm 310
4500 San Pablo Road
Jacksonville, FL 32224
(904) 953-6372 (office)
(904) 953-2857 (lab)
 

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From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Radisky, 
Evette S. Ph.D.
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2007 4:23 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [ccp4bb] Twin refinement with SHELXL




Dear All, 

I have 1.4 A data and a molecular replacement solution for a crystal indexed as 
C2, with beta approximately equal to 90.  Refinement with refmac is progressing 
poorly, and intensity statistics (Truncate) and other twinning tests (xtriage) 
suggest pseudo-merohedral twinning with a twin fraction around 0.44.  I want to 
try refining in SHELXL with a twin-specific target function, but I have some 
questions about how to get started.

SHELX documentation indicates that the reflection file should contain 
intensities rather than amplitudes, and preferably unmerged data.  I have been 
refining against an mtz file that was integrated with MOSFLM, scaled and merged 
with SCALA, converted to amplitudes with TRUNCATE, then had freeR flags 
assigned.  I am getting the mtz2various patch recently mentioned on the bb, 
that will make an mtz file into a proper SHELX hkl file, but which mtz file do 
I convert?  The mtz output by TRUNCATE contains both F's and I's, so I could 
use that one to get measured intensities, or do I actually need to go back 
further to get my unmerged reflections?

A second question relates to Rfree flags - should I transfer the ones I've been 
using up until now?  They were a randomly assigned 5%.  Now I've read that 
using the "thin shell" method is better for twinned crystals and NCS, but I 
don't know exactly how that is done... any recommendations?

Thanks! 
Evette 

Evette S. Radisky, Ph.D. 
Assistant Professor and Associate Consultant II 
Mayo Clinic Cancer Center 
Griffin Cancer Research Building, Rm 310 
4500 San Pablo Road 
Jacksonville, FL 32224 
(904) 953-6372 (office) 
(904) 953-2857 (lab) 

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