Can you combine the PHIC and FOM from each of your solutions, then do the Phase comparison in Clipper utilities checking for alternate origins? That gives a good indication of what is going on.

Do you have more than one molecule in the asymm unit? You can finish up with A_phaser matching one symm equiv of B_molrep and B_phaser matching a different symm equivalent of A_molrep..

Eleanor

Kolstoe S.E. wrote:
Dear ccp4bb,
In searching for a mr solution I ran both phaser and molrep, with both programs finding nice solutions in P21212 (cell 81.083 104.435 109.732 90.00 90.00 90.00, resolution 2.65A). For various reasons I refined the phaser and molrep solutions separately, and both behaved in exactly the same way giving R=0.24, Rfree=0.28 after adding ligands, mutations etc. Today I decided to compare the two models (which I figured were exactly the same) however found that the asymmetric units did not superimpose. Normally this is just a case of each mr program finding a different asymmetric unit in the same cell, however this time there is a distinct clash between the two solutions with about 50 atoms overlapping. After playing around with various symmetry equivalents I have found that the difference between the solutions is approximately a 30A translation along the x axis. As there is no signs of any twinning, and both solutions behave in exactly the same way in refinement, is this a case of phaser and molrep using different origins or is there something more insidious going on? Thanks for any advice, Simon

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