I would think that a "perfect HCP lattice," no matter the disorder in the 
organization of the molecules, would lead to Bragg diffraction, albeit of low 
resolution. The "ghost crystals" probably consist of very imperfect lattice(s) 
which fluctuate in their dimensions and kind over space and time.

Jacob Keller

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  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: George DeTitta 
  To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2009 12:37 PM
  Subject: [ccp4bb] Phantom Crystals - a recap


  Thanks to all who replied regarding experiences with phantom crystals 
(objects with crystal-like morphologies but NO diffraction).  The answers were 
more fascinating than the original poorly worded inquiry deserved.  Here is a 
recap.

   

  The observation of phantoms may be rare but not so rare: a number of people 
replied with first hand experience.  Classes of compounds that may lead to 
these bad actors:  membrane-associated proteins and RNAs.  NO diffraction may 
be interpreted as no OBSERVABLE Bragg diffraction, but beware of 
behind-the-beamstop diffraction; i.e. a few Bragg peaks that are not typically 
observed unless care is taken to insure a small beamstop.  

   

  I think of a mental image as follows.  Say proteins are spherically shaped 
and present as cats' eyes marbles.  You might be able to lay them down in a 
perfect HCP lattice but rotationally the eyes might point in all directions.  
The object at macroscopic dimensions would look like a crystal but at atomic 
dimensions there would be no buildup of scattering from cooperative effect of 
many atoms at the same lattice spacing.

   

  Thanks to all.

   

  George

   

  George T. DeTitta, Ph.D. 

  Principal Research Scientist

  Hauptman-Woodward Institute 

  Professor and Chairman

  Department of Structural Biology

  SUNY at Buffalo

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