I think it is up to the buyer to gain knowledge about prices from other companies. So I agree the survey on CCP4 was a good idea, but we should stop the "legal" discussion here (or continue outside ccp4) - it's not really crystallography :-)
Clemens > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:[email protected]] Im Auftrag von > Jacob Keller > Gesendet: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 7:05 PM > An: [email protected] > Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] Summary IPTG suppliers (mainly Europe) > > I think that since there is not a uniform price, competition is not > playing > a significant enough role in pricing. So I ask: why is competition not > playing a role? And I would suggest: perhaps the bigger companies are > exploiting the lack of knowledge about the true market price of IPTG. > Happily, it seems that CCP4bb is ruining this dubiously-ethical edge. > > I am not sure about European law: is it theoretically illegal to charge > 10x > market value without the buyer's knowledge? In Jewish monetary law, > this is > forbidden, and since there are similarities between the legal systems, > I > would guess that there might be a problem here. > > Jacob Keller > > ******************************************* > Jacob Pearson Keller > Northwestern University > Medical Scientist Training Program > Dallos Laboratory > F. Searle 1-240 > 2240 Campus Drive > Evanston IL 60208 > lab: 847.491.2438 > cel: 773.608.9185 > email: [email protected] > ******************************************* > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Clemens Steegborn" <[email protected]> > To: "'Jacob Keller'" <[email protected]>; > <[email protected]> > Sent: Wednesday, July 15, 2009 7:01 AM > Subject: AW: [ccp4bb] Summary IPTG suppliers (mainly Europe) > > > > Hi Jacob, > > I am not sure I understand why a spread in pricing indicates illegal > activity. > Wouldn't uniformly high prices indicate something illegal, and very > different > prices just indicate you have a choice of suppliers, qualities etc?!? > > And just to mention two more supplier names (again: different brands, > different > prices) for IPTG we never had problems with: > > Applichem, current promotion price 155 Euro for 25 g > > Roche, promotion starting Aug (according to a Roche sales person) 128 > Euro > for 5 g > > Best > Clemens > > > > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:[email protected]] Im Auftrag > von > > Jacob Keller > > Gesendet: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 7:45 PM > > An: [email protected] > > Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] Summary IPTG suppliers (mainly Europe) > > > > When there is a greater-than-10-fold range of prices, as here, it > seems > > that > > there is unfair business going on. I am no expert on European > business > > law, > > but I suspect there might be something illegal here. > > > > Jacob Keller > > > > ******************************************* > > Jacob Pearson Keller > > Northwestern University > > Medical Scientist Training Program > > Dallos Laboratory > > F. Searle 1-240 > > 2240 Campus Drive > > Evanston IL 60208 > > lab: 847.491.2438 > > cel: 773.608.9185 > > email: [email protected] > > ******************************************* > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Mark J. van Raaij" <[email protected]> > > To: <[email protected]> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 14, 2009 11:56 AM > > Subject: [ccp4bb] Summary IPTG suppliers (mainly Europe) > > > > > > Current EU IPTG prices in euros, approximate, without tax, delivery > or > > currency exchange fees. Prices are quoted as to my best knowledge, > but > > of course may be different when you order at a different time or from > > a different place. I do not claim it is complete. > > > > Apollo Scientific (UK): 5 g 18 euros, 25 g 85 euros > > Biosynth (Switzerland): 10 g 40 euros, 25 g 89 euros, 50 g 160 euros, > > 100 g 286 euros > > ForMedium (UK): 1 g 9 euros, 5 g 28 euros, 10 g 51 euros, 25 g 118 > > euros, 100 g 378 euros, 250 g 765 euros > > Melford (UK): 1 g 10 euros, 5 g 31 euros, 10 g 56 euros, 25 g 131 > > euros, 50 g 244 euros, 100 g 450 euros > > Nzytech (Portugal): 1 g 28 euros, 5 g 52 euros > > Eurogentec (via Cultek): 1 g 21 euros, 5 g 84 euros > > Qiagen (via Izasa): 5 g 142 euros > > Promega: 50 g 1140 euros, 5 g 181 euros, 1 g 61 euros > > Invitrogen: 1 g, 44 euros > > Sigma-Aldrich: 5 g 250 euros, 10 g 494 euros > > > > Fermentas was also mentioned at 33 pounds for 5 g, but their web does > > not let you see the price unless you register (it also does not > > mention Spain in the shipping list, perhaps it has a distributor here > > I am unaware of). > > It appears UK/Swiss companies are the cheapest, and the UK is in > > Europe, although some people seem to think otherwise. Seriously, for > > us ordering the UK is as easy as ordering from Spain or other > European > > countries. I am not sure how easy ordering from Switzerland would be, > > I have never tried... > > All people give good refs of the supplier used (i.e. absence of > > expression problems), except for one person, who only uses Sigma IPTG > > after problems with other sources. > > > > Another supplier mentioned without EU distributors was: > > Gold BioTechnologies: 25 g 99 USD, 100 g 309 USD, 300g 799 USD > > > > Several people mentioned Studiers auto-induction methods, which > avoids > > having to use IPTG and gives them better cell density and, in some > > cases, more expression of soluble protein. > > > > Thanks to all for their comments and knowledge of companies I had > > never heard of and did not find with Google, > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > Mark J. van Raaij > > Dpto de Bioquímica, Facultad de Farmacia > > Universidad de Santiago > > 15782 Santiago de Compostela > > Spain > > http://web.usc.es/~vanraaij/
