Hi all,

I am trying to refine a structure to about 2.0A.  Indexing in HKL2000 indicates 
the protein crystallized in P2 with unit cell lengths (a1=67.5, b1=58.8, 
c1=98.9) and angles (alpha1=90, beta1=101.5, gamma1=90).  Molecular replacement 
with Phaser yields a solution in P1 21 1 with four molecules in the AU.  
Successive rounds of refinement lead to good quality maps with chemically 
appropriate packing of symmetry-related molecules.  However, TLS and restrained 
refinement lead to continuing drops of Rfactor (around 20%, depending on 
weighting) but the stalling of Rfree around 27%.

When the dataset is processed in P1, the unit cell has the dimensions (a=58.7, 
b=67.4, c=98.9, alpha=78.5, beta=89.9, gamma=89.9) and Phaser finds 8 molecules 
in the AU.  Structure refinement for this scenario is ongoing, and it has yet 
to be seen whether this leads to improvement of the statistical parameters.

I have solved other structures of this protein in complex with different 
substrates.  One such structure was successfully solved in P1 21 1 with two 
molecules in the AU with the unit cell lengths (a2= 47.3, b2=58.9, c2=67.6) and 
angles (alpha2=90, beta2=99.2, gamma2=90).  Interestingly, these dimensions are 
highly similar to those of current structure, although a1 is equivalent to c2, 
and c1 is nearly double a2.

I have run phenix.xtriage on the P2 scaled data, and the Patterson Analysis 
indicates that translational-pseudosymmetry is a posibility in my case.  
Alternatively, phenix.xtriage on the same dataset processed in P1 indicates the 
same translational-pseudosymmetry, but also suggests the presence of a 
pseudomerohedral twin.  I am not sure if this twin simply relates the dataset 
to the higher symmetry P2 group.  The sections of both log files pertaining to 
these analyses are copied below- sorry for all the text!

At this stage, I am wondering what the next steps.  Specificity, is this data 
suspicious for having pseudotranslational symmetry or twinning?  If so, what 
should be my next steps to troubleshoot this problem? Any suggestions would be 
appreciated.

Thanks in advance,

Keith

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P2 PROCESSED DATA


Patterson analyses: 
------------------

 Largest Patterson peak with length larger than 15 Angstrom

 Frac. coord.        :    0.000    0.000    0.500
 Distance to origin  :   49.477
 Height (origin=100) :   42.327
 p_value(height)     :    2.073e-04


   The reported p_value has the following meaning:
     The probability that a peak of the specified height
     or larger is found in a Patterson function of a
     macro molecule that does not have any translational
     pseudo symmetry is equal to  2.073e-04.
     p_values smaller than 0.05 might indicate
     weak translational pseudo symmetry, or the self vector of
     a large anomalous scatterer such as Hg, whereas values
     smaller than 1e-3 are a very strong indication for
     the presence of translational pseudo symmetry.



The full list of Patterson peaks is:

  x      y      z            height   p-value(height)
( 0.000, 0.000, 0.500 ) :   42.327   (2.073e-04)
( 0.111, 0.000,-0.476 ) :    8.908   (2.385e-01)

 If the observed pseudo translationals are crystallographic
 the following spacegroups and unit cells are possible:

 space group                operator         unit cell of reference setting
   P 1 21 1 (a,b,2*c)           x, y, z+1/2  (67.48, 58.78, 49.48,  90.00, 
101.49, 90.00)

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P1 PROCESSED DATA

##----------------------------------------------------##
##                   Twinning Analyses                ##
##----------------------------------------------------##



Using data between 10.00 to 2.82 Angstrom.

Determining possible twin laws.

The following twin laws have been found:

-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
| Type | Axis   | R metric (%) | delta (le Page) | delta (Lebedev) | Twin law |
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
|  PM  | 2-fold | 0.256        | 0.186           | 0.003           | h,-k,-l  |
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------
M:  Merohedral twin law
PM: Pseudomerohedral twin law

  0 merohedral twin operators found
  1 pseudo-merohedral twin operators found
In total,   1 twin operator were found


Details of automated twin law derivation
----------------------------------------
Below, the results of the coset decomposition are given.
Each coset represents a single twin law, and all symmetry equivalent twin laws 
are given.
For each coset, the operator in (x,y,z) and (h,k,l) notation are given.
The direction of the axis (in fractional coordinates), the type and possible 
offsets are given as well.
Furthermore, the result of combining a certain coset with the input space group 
is listed.
This table can be usefull when comparing twin laws generated by xtriage with 
those listed in lookup tables
In the table subgroup H denotes the *presumed intensity symmetry*. Group G is 
the symmetry of the lattice.

Left cosets of :
  subgroup  H: P 1
  and group G: P 2 1 1

  Coset number :     0   (all operators from H)

               x,y,z                 h,k,l   Rotation:    1 ; direction:  (0, 
0, 0) ; screw/glide:    (0,0,0)

  Coset number :     1   (H+coset[1] = P 2 1 1)

             x,-y,-z               h,-k,-l   Rotation:    2 ; direction:  (1, 
0, 0) ; screw/glide:    (0,0,0)

Note that if group H is centered (C,P,I,F), elements corresponding to centering 
operators are omitted.
(This is because internally the calculations are done with the symmetry of the 
reduced cell)



Splitting data in centrics and acentrics
  Number of centrics  : 0
  Number of acentrics : 28180

 Patterson analyses
------------------

 Largest Patterson peak with length larger than 15 Angstrom

 Frac. coord.        :    0.000    0.000    0.500
 Distance to origin  :   49.435
 Height (origin=100) :   42.048
 p_value(height)     :    2.159e-04


   The reported p_value has the following meaning:
     The probability that a peak of the specified height
     or larger is found in a Patterson function of a
     macro molecule that does not have any translational
     pseudo symmetry is equal to  2.159e-04.
     p_values smaller than 0.05 might indicate
     weak translational pseudo symmetry, or the self vector of
     a large anomalous scatterer such as Hg, whereas values
     smaller than 1e-3 are a very strong indication for
     the presence of translational pseudo symmetry.

The full list of Patterson peaks is:

  x      y      z            height   p-value(height)
( 0.000, 0.000, 0.500 ) :   42.048   (2.159e-04)
(-0.003, 0.110, 0.479 ) :    6.346   (6.347e-01)

 If the observed pseudo translationals are crystallographic
 the following spacegroups and unit cells are possible:

 space group                operator         unit cell of reference setting
        P 1 (b,c,2*a)           x, y, z+1/2  (49.44, 58.74, 67.39,  89.85, 
78.46, 89.86)




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