On Oct 7, 2009, at 1:56 AM, Kevin Cowtan wrote:

William G. Scott wrote:
On Oct 6, 2009, at 1:32 AM, Morten Kjeldgaard wrote:
teleports the students across the hermeneutic circle ;-)
(As a consequence, I recommended the postmodernism generator website to the students: http://www.elsewhere.org/pomo/ )

It is easy to mock postmodernism,

Well, there is a reason for that ...

but it needs to be treated seriously.

Why?  Do historians likewise need to take Holocaust deniers seriously?

It is based on a valid set of critiques of the modern paradigm,

That is highly debatable. Even the idea that there is such thing as a "paradigm" (modern, post-modern, or otherwise) is only an assertion (The idea originates from Thomas Kuhn, who started as a PhD physics student, presumably doing "normal science" and generalized when he defected to the sociology department. Social sciences slavishly aping what they wrongly perceived to be the aims and the methods of the physical sciences immediately latched on to the idea of "paradigms," but that hardly translates into universal acceptance of the idea, especially amongst scientists.)

some of which have arisen from within science (notably the cognitive sciences, complex systems and QM).

I don't know much about the cognitive sciences beyond what Chomsky did, and I know nothing about complex systems. I do know a little bit about QM, however, and it appears to me that the supposed need to revise our ideas about reality are based on a confusion about what probability is, along with an implicit rejection of indeterminism. Many of the classic problems don't arise if you don't posit a wave- particle "duality", but instead ascribe primary reality to particles. (Chemists, not just physicists, deal with these supposed "riddles" all the time -- how can an unoccupied molecular orbital determine the stereochemistry of a reaction product if there are no electrons in it? -- but their world view isn't exactly placed in mortal danger of collapsing as a consequence).

While pomo reacts against the problems in the modern worldview, and in doing so overreacts going off into fantasy land, any useful 21st century philosophy of science needs to take the critiques of the modern worldview - which itself has been significantly shaped by the scientific revolution - very seriously indeed, otherwise it will end up being irrelevant. If scientists remain entrenched in the broken modern paradigm,

Again, I have yet to see any compelling evidence that it is at all "broken". (The neo-liberal economic system that claims to be informed by this stuff and produces the likes of Tony Blair is another story, however.)

they will be increasingly unable to communicate with the outside world, and the pomo paradigm shift may become more deeply anti- science.

The failure of many scientists and scientific communicators to take an interest in philosophy of science and sociology

In my case at least, it isn't a question of failing to take an interest, but rather a complete sense of frustration when trying to communicate with people who insist on speaking utter jibberish. The point of the "postmodernism generator" website is to show just how mechanical, arbitrary, and ultimately how vacuous this stuff really can be.

On a more serious level, we have the case of Sokal's "Social Text Affair". Sokal is a physicist who published a paper in the prestigious journal Social Text entitled "Transgressing the Boundaries: Toward a Transformative Hermeneutics of Quantum Gravity".

The paper was a total spoof, but the editors and reviewers (none of which were qualified to pass judgement on quantum gravity) decided it was a great achievement and worthy of publication. Then when he admitted the hoax, all hell broke loose. cf: http://www.physics.nyu.edu/faculty/sokal/

have been a significant handicap in the countering of arguments from the creationists, IDers, and climate change deniers, who have (ironically and unwittingly in some cases) tapped into pomo rather more successfully. The pomo suspicion of arguments-from-authority threatens scientific funding and evidence-based policy making at a more general level.

However, the modern worldview is broken,

only if we start to accept this kind of proof by assertion ...

and the pomo paradigm shift may well be a juggernaught. We cannot stop it, we need to both understand it and respond constructively if we are going to advocate and communicate science.

The hermenutic circle is one starting point in understanding where pomo comes from. The idea that a text has a meaning is highly problematic and may well be dualistic.

Those last two sentences I have to confess kind of frighten and confuse me.

I think as scientists, the best we can rationally hope do is to engage the world using simple, straightforward terminology and explicit logical argumentation, both of which should be informed and grounded by empirical experimental tests of scientific hypotheses. We, as scientists, should be able to explain, in a simple and straightforward manner that any sentient individual can understand, what a testable hypothesis is, and why it is that scientists ultimately strive for testable (and refutable) hypotheses, verses subjective appeals to gobbledigook and religious authority (be the religion Christianity, Postmodernism, or whatever other -ism is currently in fashion).

I guess if that means more time at the synchrotron collecting data and less time smoking unfiltered cigarettes and drinking nanomolar coffee while debating the rantings of Diderot and Focault at the Structuralist French Cafe, I'll somehow manage to cope.

All the best,


Bill

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