Hello:

I am not at all surprised by your observations. Negatively stained images are sometimes tricky to interpret. Despite a much higher contrast, one has to deal with various artifacts of the staining/ drying/flattening process, and of course, the stain thickness on any grid or mesh is variable which may result in the different "sizes" you see (assuming all the data was collected at the same defocus value). If you see large differences in not only size, but also shape, that may indicate that you have some aggregation in your specimen and that the differences in size you see are not due to differential staining but heterogeneity in the specimen. In my experience, I have seen particles that look slightly smaller when negatively-stained (but then of course, all is in the map "thresholding" and therefore don't think there is any rule of thumb) f. If you'd like I can have a look at your images/class averages, but I am not sure I will have a definitive answer :)

Hope this helps.

Alex


Alexandra Deaconescu, Ph.D.
-----------------------------------
Postdoctoral Fellow of the Damon Runyon Cancer Research Foundation
c/o Grigorieff Laboratory
Brandeis University
http://people.brandeis.edu/~deacona




On May 28, 2010, at 7:00 PM, CCP4BB automatic digest system wrote:

There are 17 messages totaling 2108 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

 1. Catalytic residues in active sites
 2. size of protein in negatively stained TEM?
 3. Job Advertisment (PhD position)
 4. How to calculate real-space CC by section? (2)
 5. How large should the real space correlation coefficient be?
 6. mosflm in script mode (3)
 7. protein monitoring (4)
 8. The "Total" CC in the output of CCP4 OVERLAPMAP
9. to what extent bacterial expression reveals the native oligomerization
    state of mammalian proteins. (2)
10. please recommend a crystallization incubator

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Date:    Thu, 27 May 2010 18:52:30 -0500
From:    Donnie Berkholz <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: Catalytic residues in active sites

On 15:52 Tue 25 May     , Clayton, Gina Martyn wrote:
I wonder if anyone can recommend a good review/paper describing
crystal structures that show high energy residues in active sites. By
that I mean residues that may be in a strained conformation and rotate
between conformations, such that they may even switch into unfavoured
ramachandran regions during their activity, but that the strained high
energy state is relevant to the enzyme activity?

Gina,

Here are a few papers discussing strained residues in active sites:

Xu, Q., Buckley, D., Guan, C., Guo, H.C. "Structural insights into the
mechanism of intramolecular proteolysis." Cell 98, 651-661 (1999).

Lawson, C.L. "An atomic view of the L-tryptophan binding site of trp
repressor." Nat. Struct. Biol. 3, 986-987 (1996).

Herzberg, O., Moult, J. "Analysis of the steric strain in the
polypeptide backbone of protein molecules." Proteins: Struct. Func.
Bioinf. 11, 223-229 (1991)

Merritt, E.A. et al. "The 1.25 Å resolution refinement of the cholera
toxin B-pentamer: evidence of peptide backbone strain at the
receptor-binding site." J. Mol. Biol. 282, 1043-1059 (1998).

--
Thanks,
Donnie

Donald S. Berkholz, Postdoctoral research fellow
James R. Thompson lab, Physiology & Biomedical Engineering
Grazia Isaya lab, Pediatric & Adolescent Medicine
Medical Sciences 2-66
Mayo Clinic College of Medicine
200 First Street SW
Rochester, MN 55905
612-991-1321

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Date:    Thu, 27 May 2010 19:08:58 -0700
From:    Chad K Park <[email protected]>
Subject: size of protein in negatively stained TEM?

Apologies for the non-crystallographic question, but I would think the wide
experience and vitality of this board might have some opinions on this
topic.

We've sent out some samples for negative staining electron microscopy. They
were stained with uranyl acetate on commercial grids and the resulting
images seem to have a dispersity in the size of the little round blobs seen.
Some of the blobs look like they might be what we see in our crystal
structures. However, some of them are quite large. What have people's experience been with this technique and how close you get to an overall dimension for your protein or complex? How closely has that number been to results from other techniques (Xtallography, DLS, other hydrodynamic methods ....)? Is there some rule of thumb that describes if the image is slightly
smaller or larger than the expected size?

Thanks for your comments.

Regards,
Chad K. Park,
Analyt. Biophys. Core
Chem./Biochem., U. of AZ

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Date:    Fri, 28 May 2010 11:47:37 +0200
From:    Christine Bentz <[email protected]>
Subject: Job Advertisment (PhD position)

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Date:    Fri, 28 May 2010 14:11:07 +0100
From:    Eleanor Dodson <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: How to calculate real-space CC by section?

  I havent a reference for the "correct" value of the CC - it is just
based on maps I have seen solved then checked out later.

but if your final model gives a very poor CC with a map calculated from
experimental phases, either for parts of the structure, or for the
whole,  it is time to worry. Maybe your phases are bad - poor
measurements, low solvent content, incorrect heavy atom sites, etc.
Or maybe your model has some serious errors?
But of course all crystal structures have some parts better ordered than others and for those bits the exptlly phased map may have weak density,
espec. after solvent flattening.
eleanor

[email protected] wrote:
Hi Eleanor:

Do you have some references in mind that discussed the value of CC (say
0.5) to be able to build the structure? Didn't find one for right now:-(

By the way, probably a "weak" question, In the case "a lousy model will give poor CCs even if the map is brilliant", we still accept this model dispite the poor CC, right? Sorry that I didn't get practically involved
too much in real model building, but I just heard that model is more
frequently built manually by eyes, not CC etc.

Best Regards, Hailiang

If you ask for CORR SECTion then overlapmap does just that - the CC will
have a certain value for each section regardless of the CHAIN
parameters. If you want correlation residue by residue you must ask for
CORR RESI

As someone said - a lousy model will give poor CCs even if the map is
brilliant..
But once your refinement is finished it is intresting to go back and
check the CC of the initial maps.

There is a belief that you need a CC of >0.5 to be able to build the
structure but different problems and different builders achieve
different results..
Eleanor

Hailiang Zhang wrote:
Hi,

I am working on a real space correlation on a specif protein section
using
CCP4 OVERLAPMAP. I am using the following scripts, not sure whether it
is
good or not (didn't find in OVERLAPMAP documentation).

overlapmap       \
              mapin1 ${PDB}-1.map    \
              mapin2 ${PDB}-2.map    \
              mapin3 ${PDB}-mask.map \
<<eof
CORR SECT
CHAIN A $START $END
END

There is no error message, but the results make no difference no matter how I change $START and $END. I am not sure whether the above script is
ok.

By the way, more importantly to me, if corr sect works at all, will it print out a single CC value by integrating over the WHOLE region define
by
the section range?

Thanks!

Best Regards, Hailiang





------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 28 May 2010 14:19:29 +0100
From:    Eleanor Dodson <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: How large should the real space correlation coefficient be?

Maybe it is worth recalling some ancient discussions, involving Real
Space R factors as defined by Alwyn Jones and Gerard Kleywert.

If I remember properly, they give an "Rfactor" between the density in an
ATOMMAP generated from a model, but with truncated B factors and the
density in the map underconsideration - an exptly phased one, a 2mFO
-DFC or whatever.
This requires that the electron densities are more or less on the same
scale, and gave good Real Space R factors for atoms with low B factors,
and high ones for wrong residues, disordered residues, and those with
high B factors

The CC is meant to avoid problems of scale - the ATOMMAP is calculated
taking the b factors into account, so gives a reasonable CC for
correctly placed atoms with high b factors. However theoretically a
residue with occupancies =0.00 which lies in a totally empty part of the
map under consideration could still give a resonable CC .

As Pavel says, it is a very blunt tool which can mislead but also help
you pinpoint errors.. I have found it most useful when trying to select
the best phasing procedure..
  Eleanor


Pavel Afonine wrote:
Hi Hailiang,

On 5/25/10 8:14 PM, Hailiang Zhang wrote:
Have seen the real-space correlation used widely judging the map quality.
Generally or empirically, in order to say an map (area) has "good"
quality, how large should the real space correlation coefficient be? Say, is 0.8 good enough on a residue base? Any references about this will be
greatly appreciated!

why don't you just familiarize yourself with the map CC values computed
per atom or per residue, for a few different structures at different
resolutions? It might take you a few hours but from that point on you
will have some reference  between the map CC values and actual map
appearance. phenix.model_vs_data or phenix.real_space_correlation can
compute all these values for you.

I did it at some point to educate myself and never regretted about the
time I spent doing this -:)

Pavel.

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 28 May 2010 07:35:33 -0700
From:    Jan Abendroth <[email protected]>
Subject: mosflm in script mode

Hi all,
I have been trying to use mosflm in script mode, in a quick-n-dirty effort to pipe some information from labelit.index into a simple data collection strategy. While doing that, I run into the following issue. I have not been able to find a way to read in image information without starting the old gui. Is there a command in the current mosflm versions to run it in shell mode only? Below the script that I have been using.
Any ideas?

Thanks
Jan


---
ipmosflm summary integrate02.sum <<eof
DIRECTORY ../images
TEMPLATE image_###.img
IMAGE 1
HKLOUT integration02.mtz
GENFILE integration02.gen
#detector-take defaults

#UIS_PIXEL 0.102400
#UIS_SIZE 3072

NUSPOT OFF
BEAM 155.400500 158.807700
DISTANCE 299.775600
TWOTHETA 0.0

WAVE 0.977400
#beam
SYNCHROTRON POLARIZATION 0.9
DIVERGENCE 0.100 0.020
DISPERSION 0.0001


MOSAICITY 0.60
SYMMETRY p2
RESOLUTION 3.5
MATRIX integration02.mat

PROFILE OVERLOAD PARTIALS
RASTER 19 19 9 4 4
SEPARATION 1.80 1.80 CLOSE
REFINEMENT RESID 7.5
REFINEMENT INCLUDE PARTIALS RESID 10.0 #High s/n


scanner adsc
strategy auto
stats on
go
end
exit
eof


--
Jan Abendroth
Emerald BioStructures
Seattle / Bainbridge Island WA, USA
home: Jan.Abendroth_at_gmail.com
work: JAbendroth_at_embios.com
http://www.emeraldbiostructures.com






------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 28 May 2010 07:46:10 -0700
From:    Bernhard Rupp <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: How to calculate real-space CC by section?

Ad empirical observations:

I have run and inspected routinely literally hundreds of RSCC plots during
the progress of MR searches and autobuild/refinement cycles.

Almost always an initial average RSCC less than 0.6 to 0.55 indicated a
non-solution
or was otherwise unrecoverable. So I am perhaps a tad more pessimistic than
Eleanor
as far as MR maps go (the absence of bias in experimental maps may give the
slightly lower empirical CC threshold of 0.5).

The achievable CC of course is local, and the average depends, amongst
other factors mentioned, on the type of protein/crystal. Sturdy stuff like
helix bundles may well give average CCs of 0.95 or higher. Floppy
structures (without prejudice whether the plasticity is genuine or
reflects long-range order like packing issues) can be 0.85 without
real indications from the map what to improve.

In almost all cases, the average RSCC consistently reflected the
average fo vs fc correlation coefficients that Refmac reports.

In case of very large structures you may run into grid limitations,
which may also have some effect on the actual mean CC.

BR

-----Original Message-----
From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Eleanor Dodson
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 6:11 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] How to calculate real-space CC by section?

  I havent a reference for the "correct" value of the CC - it is just
based on maps I have seen solved then checked out later.

but if your final model gives a very poor CC with a map calculated from
experimental phases, either for parts of the structure, or for the
whole,  it is time to worry. Maybe your phases are bad - poor
measurements, low solvent content, incorrect heavy atom sites, etc.
Or maybe your model has some serious errors?
But of course all crystal structures have some parts better ordered than others and for those bits the exptlly phased map may have weak density,
espec. after solvent flattening.
eleanor

[email protected] wrote:
Hi Eleanor:

Do you have some references in mind that discussed the value of CC (say
0.5) to be able to build the structure? Didn't find one for right now:-(

By the way, probably a "weak" question, In the case "a lousy model will give poor CCs even if the map is brilliant", we still accept this model dispite the poor CC, right? Sorry that I didn't get practically involved
too much in real model building, but I just heard that model is more
frequently built manually by eyes, not CC etc.

Best Regards, Hailiang

If you ask for CORR SECTion then overlapmap does just that - the CC will
have a certain value for each section regardless of the CHAIN
parameters. If you want correlation residue by residue you must ask for
CORR RESI

As someone said - a lousy model will give poor CCs even if the map is
brilliant..
But once your refinement is finished it is intresting to go back and
check the CC of the initial maps.

There is a belief that you need a CC of >0.5 to be able to build the
structure but different problems and different builders achieve
different results..
Eleanor

Hailiang Zhang wrote:
Hi,

I am working on a real space correlation on a specif protein section
using
CCP4 OVERLAPMAP. I am using the following scripts, not sure whether it
is
good or not (didn't find in OVERLAPMAP documentation).

overlapmap       \
              mapin1 ${PDB}-1.map    \
              mapin2 ${PDB}-2.map    \
              mapin3 ${PDB}-mask.map \
<<eof
CORR SECT
CHAIN A $START $END
END

There is no error message, but the results make no difference no matter how I change $START and $END. I am not sure whether the above script is
ok.

By the way, more importantly to me, if corr sect works at all, will it print out a single CC value by integrating over the WHOLE region define
by
the section range?

Thanks!

Best Regards, Hailiang





------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 28 May 2010 08:00:54 -0700
From:    James Holton <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: mosflm in script mode

Check the log file carefully that MOSFLM has "swallowed" each of your
script lines.  I don't think "stats on" is a valid command.  The
strategy command "stats" (with no qualification) is generally run after
the "go" command:

strategy auto
go
stats
end


What is probably happening is MOSFLM is balking on the "stats on" line
and then exits "strategy".  The next line is a "go", which means load
the image in graphics.

There is also a program I call "Wedger Elves" which (among other things)
will take a matrix and an image and give you a strategy using MOSFLM.
It will also run LABELIT to do indexing if you have it installed.
http://bl831.als.lbl.gov/~jamesh/elves/

-James Holton
MAD Scientist

Jan Abendroth wrote:
Hi all,
I have been trying to use mosflm in script mode, in a quick-n-dirty
effort to pipe some information from labelit.index into a simple data
collection strategy. While doing that, I run into the following issue.
I have not been able to find a way to read in image information
without starting the old gui. Is there a command in the current mosflm
versions to run it in shell mode only? Below the script that I have
been using.
Any ideas?

Thanks
Jan


---
ipmosflm summary integrate02.sum <<eof
DIRECTORY ../images
TEMPLATE image_###.img
IMAGE 1
HKLOUT integration02.mtz
GENFILE integration02.gen
#detector-take defaults

#UIS_PIXEL 0.102400
#UIS_SIZE 3072

NUSPOT OFF
BEAM 155.400500 158.807700
DISTANCE 299.775600
TWOTHETA 0.0

WAVE 0.977400
#beam
SYNCHROTRON POLARIZATION 0.9
DIVERGENCE 0.100 0.020
DISPERSION 0.0001


MOSAICITY 0.60
SYMMETRY p2
RESOLUTION 3.5
MATRIX integration02.mat

PROFILE OVERLOAD PARTIALS
RASTER 19 19 9 4 4
SEPARATION 1.80 1.80 CLOSE
REFINEMENT RESID 7.5
REFINEMENT INCLUDE PARTIALS RESID 10.0 #High s/n


scanner adsc
strategy auto
stats on
go
end
exit
eof


--
Jan Abendroth
Emerald BioStructures
Seattle / Bainbridge Island WA, USA
home: Jan.Abendroth_at_gmail.com
work: JAbendroth_at_embios.com
http://www.emeraldbiostructures.com







------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 28 May 2010 16:41:50 +0000
From:    Harry Powell <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: mosflm in script mode

Hi Jan

The "IMAGE " command turns the old gui on - always has done, as far as I know.

With "Strategy auto" you shouldn't need to give an image number.

HTH

On 28 May 2010, at 14:35, Jan Abendroth wrote:

Hi all,
I have been trying to use mosflm in script mode, in a quick-n-dirty effort to pipe some information from labelit.index into a simple data collection strategy. While doing that, I run into the following issue. I have not been able to find a way to read in image information without starting the old gui. Is there a command in the current mosflm versions to run it in shell mode only? Below the script that I have been using.
Any ideas?

Thanks
Jan


---
ipmosflm summary integrate02.sum <<eof
DIRECTORY ../images
TEMPLATE image_###.img
IMAGE 1
HKLOUT integration02.mtz
GENFILE integration02.gen
#detector-take defaults

#UIS_PIXEL 0.102400
#UIS_SIZE 3072

NUSPOT OFF
BEAM 155.400500 158.807700
DISTANCE 299.775600
TWOTHETA 0.0

WAVE 0.977400
#beam
SYNCHROTRON POLARIZATION 0.9
DIVERGENCE 0.100 0.020
DISPERSION 0.0001


MOSAICITY 0.60
SYMMETRY p2
RESOLUTION 3.5
MATRIX integration02.mat

PROFILE OVERLOAD PARTIALS
RASTER 19 19 9 4 4
SEPARATION 1.80 1.80 CLOSE
REFINEMENT RESID 7.5
REFINEMENT INCLUDE PARTIALS RESID 10.0 #High s/n


scanner adsc
strategy auto
stats on
go
end
exit
eof


--
Jan Abendroth
Emerald BioStructures
Seattle / Bainbridge Island WA, USA
home: Jan.Abendroth_at_gmail.com
work: JAbendroth_at_embios.com
http://www.emeraldbiostructures.com







Harry
--
Dr Harry Powell, MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology, MRC Centre, Hills Road, Cambridge, CB2 0QH

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Date:    Fri, 28 May 2010 12:03:57 -0400
From:    Sollepura Yogesha <[email protected]>
Subject: protein monitoring

Dear All,
I have expressed 30-40 aa region my protein fused to GST.
I subjected it to precision protease cleavage. On the gel I can see the band.

When I looked for ProtParam in expasy it shows that my peptide doesn't have Extinction coefficients as " there are no Trp, Tyr or Cys in the region considered, your protein should not be visible by UV spectrophotometry."

I need to separate GST from the cleavage mixture.

How can I monitor my peptide during FPLC and after that.

AA composition is Ala (A) 8, Arg (R) 2, Asn (N) 3, Asp (D) 2, Gln (Q) 2, Glu (E) 2, Gly (G) 4, Ile (I) 1, Leu (L) 4, Lys (K) 4, Phe (F) 2, Pro (P) 2, Ser (S) 5, Thr (T) 5, Val (V) 3.

I am looking for some suggestions

Thanks in advance

Yogi

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 28 May 2010 11:08:20 -0700
From:    Eric Larson <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: protein monitoring

Hi Yogi,

You can see your peptide on a gel so why can't you "monitor" it by SDS-PAGE? A little time consuming, yes, but then you have the extra benefit of also seeing if there are contaminating proteins in your sample.

good luck,
Eric
__________________________
Eric Larson, PhD
MSGPP Consortium
Department of Biochemistry
Box 357742
University of Washington
Seattle, WA 98195

On Fri, 28 May 2010, Sollepura Yogesha wrote:


Dear All,

I have expressed 30-40 aa region my protein fused to GST.

I subjected it to precision protease cleavage. On the gel I can see the band.

When I looked for ProtParam in expasy it shows that my peptide doesn’t have Extinction coefficients as “ there are no Trp, Tyr or Cys in the region considered, your protein should not be visible by UV spectrophotometry.”

I need to separate GST from the cleavage mixture.

How can I monitor my peptide during FPLC and after that.

AA composition is Ala (A) 8, Arg (R) 2, Asn (N) 3, Asp (D) 2, Gln (Q) 2, Glu (E) 2, Gly (G) 4, I le (I) 1, Leu (L) 4, Lys (K) 4, Phe (F) 2, Pro (P) 2, Ser (S) 5, Thr (T) 5, Val (V) 3.

I am looking for some suggestions

Thanks in advance

Yogi



------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 28 May 2010 14:30:50 -0400
From:    Hailiang Zhang <[email protected]>
Subject: The "Total" CC in the output of CCP4 OVERLAPMAP

Hi all:

Thanks for all kindly helps with real space CC. Now I have a new question again. In the output of OVERLAPMAP in CCP4, there is a almost last line
saying "Total...":

#######################################
.......
   1243             0.9528   0.9249
   1244             0.9741   0.8591
   1360             0.9483   0.9145
 $$
Total:              0.8853   0.8676
<B><FONT COLOR="#FF0000"><!--SUMMARY_BEGIN-->
OVERLAPMAP:   Normal termination
#########################################

Now what does the "Total" CC mean? Is it a single CC generated by
integrating over the whole system? Or just an average of each individual
CC values? I do need to first one, and hope that's it.

Best Regards, Hailiang

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 28 May 2010 13:40:28 -0500
From:    "Radisky, Evette S., Ph.D." <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: protein monitoring

Try a Bradford-type assay, scaled down to microplate format.  You can
buy reagents pre-made; Pierce makes a good one . It is fast-- you pipet 10 microliters or so from each chromatography fraction into a well with
the detection reagent, and wait 5 minutes.  If protein concentrations
are moderate to high in your peaks, you won't even need to use a plate
reader; the fractions with protein will be quite visibly blue against a
white background.

You would probably want to check the MW of your protein peaks on a gel
anyway, but at least you won't need to run lanes with a lot of fractions
containing no protein.

Evette S. Radisky, Ph.D.
Assistant Professor
Mayo Clinic Cancer Center
Griffin Cancer Research Building, Rm 310
4500 San Pablo Road
Jacksonville, FL 32224
(904) 953-6372



________________________________

From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
Sollepura Yogesha
Sent: Friday, May 28, 2010 12:04 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [ccp4bb] protein monitoring



Dear All,

I have expressed 30-40 aa region my protein fused to GST.

I subjected it to precision protease cleavage. On the gel I can see the
band.

When I  looked for ProtParam in expasy it shows that  my peptide
doesn't have Extinction coefficients as " there are no Trp, Tyr or Cys
in the region considered, your protein should not be visible by UV
spectrophotometry."
I need to separate GST from the cleavage mixture.
How can I monitor my peptide during FPLC and after that.
AA composition is Ala (A) 8, Arg (R) 2, Asn (N) 3, Asp (D) 2, Gln (Q) 2, Glu (E) 2, Gly (G) 4, Ile (I) 1, Leu (L) 4, Lys (K) 4, Phe (F) 2, Pro (P) 2, Ser (S)
5,   Thr (T)   5,   Val (V)   3.
I am looking for some suggestions
Thanks in advance
Yogi

------------------------------

Date:    Fri, 28 May 2010 11:40:31 -0700
From:    Jerry McCully <[email protected]>
Subject: to what extent bacterial expression reveals the native oligomerization state of mammalian proteins.


Dear ALL:

     I am sorry for this stupid question.

I guess bacterial expression system is still most popular in structural biology.

If you get a very good soluble E.coli expression of a human protein without disulfide bonds, to what extent do you believe that the oligomerization state of this bacterial expression will reflect the real physiological state of this protein in humans?

    Can someone give comments or refer some literature?

     Thanks a lot,

Jerry McCully
                                        
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Date:    Fri, 28 May 2010 11:56:02 -0700
From:    Ursula Schulze-Gahmen <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: protein monitoring

You have to be careful with the Bradford detection assays because some
of them have a lower detection limit of 3-5 kDa and may not work for
your large peptide.

For FPLC you may be able to detect your protein using absorption at 215
nm which detects the peptide bond. Just choose a buffer that does not
absorb in this range.


Ursula

On 5/28/10 9:03 AM, Sollepura Yogesha wrote:

Dear All,

I have expressed 30-40 aa region my protein fused to GST.

I subjected it to precision protease cleavage. On the gel I can see
the band.

When I looked for ProtParam in expasy it shows that my peptide doesn't have *Extinction coefficients as* " there are no Trp, Tyr or Cys in the region considered, your protein should not be visible by UV spectrophotometry."
I need to separate GST from the cleavage mixture.
How can I monitor my peptide during FPLC and after that.
AA composition is Ala (A) 8, Arg (R) 2, Asn (N) 3, Asp (D) 2, Gln (Q) 2, Glu (E) 2, Gly (G) 4, Ile (I) 1, Leu (L) 4, Lys (K) 4, Phe (F) 2, Pro (P) 2, Ser (S) 5, Thr (T) 5, Val (V) 3.
I am looking for some suggestions
Thanks in advance
Yogi

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Date:    Fri, 28 May 2010 14:02:46 -0700
From:    Jerry McCully <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: to what extent bacterial expression reveals the native oligomerization state of mammalian proteins.



A little update on my own project:

It is a secreted protein without any modification reported. Size exclusion shows that it is an oligomer. CD spectrum shows well- defined secondary structure.

It is stable and soluble.

It may have different states in diseases' condition.

Now I was trying to figure out the native state of this protein. As told by folks on CCP4bb, Most likely, the bacterial expression reveals its original state.

Am I right?

Thanks a lot,

Jerry
Date: Fri, 28 May 2010 11:40:31 -0700
From: [email protected]
Subject: [ccp4bb] to what extent bacterial expression reveals the native oligomerization state of mammalian proteins.
To: [email protected]








Dear ALL:

     I am sorry for this stupid question.

I guess bacterial expression system is still most popular in structural biology.

If you get a very good soluble E.coli expression of a human protein without disulfide bonds, to what extent do you believe that the oligomerization state of this bacterial expression will reflect the real physiological state of this protein in humans?

    Can someone give comments or refer some literature?

     Thanks a lot,

Jerry McCully
                                        
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Date:    Fri, 28 May 2010 18:09:29 -0400
From:    lei feng <[email protected]>
Subject: please recommend a crystallization incubator


hello everyone



can anyone recommend an affordable low temp. incubator that could be used for crystallography?



we do not have cold room, so hope the incubator can go to 4 degree withouth too much vibration



any size from 10 cubic ft -->20 cubic ft will be fine



any help is highly appreciated.
                                        
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