Hi Garib,

Thanks for that (and thanks Herman). How do I declare a non-natural amino acid 
a peptide? My ligand contains two peptidic cycles (non-N to C) where the side 
chains are cyclised. I think I'll be able to use several linbk records for the 
connections but the non-natural amino acid are complicating the issue

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Senior Lecturer in Medicinal Chemistry
National School of Pharmacy
University of Otago
PO Box 56 Dunedin 9054
New Zealand
Skype: jtyndall
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From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Garib N 
Murshudov
Sent: Wednesday, 8 February 2012 11:56 p.m.
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Generating parameters/cif files for macrocyclic ligands

Hi Joel

Herman is right:
If you are refining cyclic peptides then the easiest way is to use link record 
linking C-terminus with N terminus. the name of the link should be TRANS. Here 
is an example:

LINK             ALA S  21                     ASN S   1                TRANS

It will force ALA 21 to be linked (with torsion, angles, planes, bonds etc) to 
ASN 1 of chain S.
This way you do not have to create description for large molecule. If you still 
want to create one molecule and you have mol2 file with coordinates then you 
can use libcheck to generate full dictionary using following commands

libcheck

file_mol <mol_file_name>
nodist y


It should generate fdescription. However I would prefer using link record. this 
way you keep amino acid names etc intact. If you amino acids are not among 
existing then you will need to create their description first and declare them 
peptide.

regards
Garib

On 8 Feb 2012, at 10:33, 
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> wrote:


Hi Joel,

The way I solved this problem was by generating a linear peptide and then 
connecting the ends using a LINK card in the header of the pdb.

Good luck!
Herman

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From: CCP4 bulletin board 
[mailto:[email protected]]<mailto:[mailto:[email protected]]> On Behalf 
Of Joel Tyndall
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 10:44 PM
To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
Subject: [ccp4bb] Generating parameters/cif files for macrocyclic ligands
Hi folks,

I have an intriguing problem. I'm trying to generate a cif file for a 
macrocyclic peptide (of the likes in 
pdb1d4k<http://www.rcsb.org/pdb/explore/explore.do?structureId=1d4k>). They are 
cyclic tripeptides units. I can generate a pdb or mol2 file easily. I have used 
PRODRG to generate a .cif file and Coot read thjis in nicely. However, as it is 
cyclic one cannot adjust the dihedral angles. I have previously done this using 
CNS where you can break the tricyclic peptide into residues and generate 
parameters to specify bonds/links between the residues (which allows this kind 
of movement). I can't come up with a way to do this  without using CNS. I have 
looked ta J-ligand which allows for one link "between" two separate residues 
which precludes a macrocycle. I have looked at sketcher within CCP4 which reads 
the pdb files but I don't believe this can be done here. Within Coot I can 
refine the whole ligand but not certain components.

Any suggestions greatly appreciated . ( I may stick to coot refinement with 
fixed atoms at this stage)

Regards

Joel

_________________________________
Joel Tyndall, PhD

Senior Lecturer in Medicinal Chemistry
National School of Pharmacy
University of Otago
PO Box 56 Dunedin 9054
New Zealand
Skype: jtyndall
http://www.researcherid.com/rid/C-2803-2008
Pukeka Matua
Te Kura Taiwhanga Putaiao
Te Whare Wananga o Otago
Pouaka Poutapeta 56 Otepoti 9054
Aotearoa

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MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology
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