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Dear Wenhua,

a large gap between R1 and Rfree is often inficative for overfitting.
Take a look at the following:

- - how many water molecules are there in total? Do they all chamically
make sense, do some of them have large B-values? Water molecules are
the trash bin of any crystallographic model: it is easy to drop the
R1-value by adding water molecules.

- - do you have a good geometry (run molprobity)? Otherwise you should
tighten the weight adding more weight to the geometry restraints.
Having said this I noticed that refmac5 has greatly improved over the
passed two years with respect to automated weighting.

- - Do your B-values vary reasonably? There is a utility in coot
displaying the B-factor variance along your structure. Again, if you
are using refmac5, there should not be much of a problem here.

- - Check the occupancies of your atoms. Recently I noticed a
substantial number of PDB entries with occupancies varying within a
molecule, sometimes even within one residue. This make no sense to me
at all and again, even if there were a plausible explanation (e.g.
hydrogen exchange in water molecules for neutron structures), the
limited resolution of most structures in the PDB does not justify this
variation.

Best,
Tim

On 11/26/2013 09:49 AM, Wenhua Zhang wrote:
> Good Morning to ALL,
> 
> I encountered large gaps between R-factor and R-free, eg. 10% and 
> 11%,  during refining several structures with either Refmac or 
> Phenix.refine. The data were reduced and scaled at resolution with
> I/SIGMA higher than 2.3. The model fits and density pretty well
> despite a few side chains missing density.
> 
> I may ask for the reasons that result in such large difference
> between R and R free and some ways to examine and improve the
> refinement.
> 
> Thanks in advance
> 
> Wenhua
> 
> Univ. Paris-Sud XI, Orsay
> 
> 
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