Hi Sze Yi

As Harry said, in general one should not worry about the refined mosaicity. 
Especially with suboptimal cryo-conditions crystals can get quite mosaic, so a 
large refined mosaicity may well be true.
Too large a mosaicity will lead to too large integration boxes (noise), but the 
3-dimensional spot profiles should take care of that.
With too small a mosaicity only the central parts of the spots will be 
integrated, leading to less accurate results.

The only real problem with a large mosaicity is that the processing program may 
reject many reflections due to spot overlap, leading to very incomplete data 
sets. In some cases with extreme mosaicity, I have therefore fixed the 
mosaicity to a small value, integrating only the central parts of the spots. 
Although not optimal, this method has produced useful and reasonably complete 
data sets from diffraction data which otherwise could not be used due to severe 
incompleteness.

Best,
Herman


Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:[email protected]] Im Auftrag von Harry 
Powell
Gesendet: Dienstag, 23. September 2014 11:11
An: [email protected]
Betreff: Re: [ccp4bb] Prediction of Mosaicity

Hi Sze Yi

The simple answer is that if the indexing solution is correct, you can't, and 
you shouldn't worry about this.

If you are worried, can you send me directly (i.e. *not* to the ccp4bb!) the 
large date-stamped log file that will be called something like 
"mosflm_20140820_145228.lp" so that I can have a look at it to see if there's 
anything obviously wrong with your processing?

Provided that the values of refined parameters vary smoothly through the 
processing run, you shouldn't be too concerned - 0.220mm is quite large, but I 
see values like this pretty frequently - it's better to consider the normal 
"Table 1" figures after scaling and merging. Fixing the mosaic spread to a 
lower value will mean that you are only using parts of the reflections near the 
middle of their rocking curve to calculate the values (and also not measuring 
the tails in the third dimension when integrating).

The mosaicity estimate is exactly that - it's better than a guess, and in 
Mosflm is based on analysing the way that the overall intensity measured 
changes with different values of calculated mosaic spread (in iMosflm, this is 
done for the first image used in autoindexing).

The important thing as far as Mosflm is concerned is that the estimated value 
should be a good _starting_ value for refining it properly, and is better than 
just having the value set to zero or some other number that's been plucked out 
of thin air.

Unless you have a crystal with cubic symmetry, there is no reason why the 
mosaicity should be isotropic (i.e. the same in all directions in the crystal - 
after all, the cell dimensions will not be the same...), so if you see the 
value change for different orientations of the crystal, that's what (in 
general) you should expect.

On 23 Sep 2014, at Tue23 Sep 09:38, Lau Sze Yi wrote:


Hi,

I collected a dataset using our home source (Rigaku/MSC FR-E SuperBright; -AXIS 
IV++ imaging plate detector) and am processing my data using imosflm.

Autoindexing solution is P222, with an estimated mosaicity of 1.20. Mosaicity 
tends to refine to as high as 1.6, RMS residual ~ 0.220. If I fix the mosaicity 
at lower values , RMS residual drops. Does this mean that the mosaicity was 
overestimated in the first place? How do I make sure that mosaicity is not over 
or under estimated.


Appreciate your feedback.

Regards,
Sze Yi



Harry
--
Dr Harry Powell, MRC Laboratory of Molecular Biology, Francis Crick Avenue, 
Cambridge Biomedical Campus, Cambridge, CB2 0QH
Chairman of European Crystallographic Association SIG9 (Crystallographic 
Computing)





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