Hmmm - interesting discussion but no-one has stated the obvious. There were at least fifteen years of my life (ang Guy's) when we were just TOO busy to contemplate travelling so far, even if invited. Mixing family responsibilities with any effective working meant we did not stray far away from home. That must rule out many younger people - we should all be grateful for those who are willing and able to teach. I hope the organisers recruit as many local tutors as they can, and that there is no "gender bias" there. Good luck to everyone involved. Eleanor
On Wed, 5 Feb 2020 at 20:04, Newman, Janet (Manufacturing, Parkville) <janet.new...@csiro.au> wrote: > Hi all, > > Interesting discussion, and personally, I think Rasmus has hit the nail on > the head. Here is a challenge to the CCP4bb - can we make a list 10 female > developers of crystallographic software who would be appropriate invitees > as instructors to this course? (I can only think of 4) > > Cheers, Janet > > Janet Newman > Principal Scientist / Director, Collaborative Crystallisation Centre (C3) > CSIRO Material Science and Engineering > 343 Royal Parade > Parkville. VIC. 3052 > Australia > Tel +613 9662 7326 > Email janet.new...@csiro.au > > ------------------------------ > *From:* CCP4 bulletin board <CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK> on behalf of Rasmus > Fogh <rhf...@globalphasing.com> > *Sent:* Thursday, February 6, 2020 6:26 AM > *To:* CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK <CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK> > *Subject:* Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in South > America 2020 > > Hi, > > People may have missed that this particular meeting is not about > presenting ideas or research results. The meeting is billed as a > "Hands-on workshop with lectures, practical tutorials and plenty of time > for problems-solving with X-ray diffraction data", for people who are > already beyond the basics and actively doing crystallography. > Participants are encouraged to come with their own, likely quite > difficult, data, and the tutors are expected to not only present > strategies and programs for data processing, refinement and model > building at master level, but provide in-depth individual explanations, > deal with quirks of the various programs, and do immediate problem > solving on projects they have never seen before. This requires tutors > with both a detailed understanding of the software and extensive > experience in using it, and the tutors on the speaker list are generally > top developers from the groups that actually develop the software. > Collectively the tutors have to cover all aspects of the field. A > further limit is that such workshops (though not this particular one) > are often held at synchrotrons, which adds the requirement of setting up > and running actual experiments for people, without prior knowledge of > their projects. Understandably the limited group of people who have > developed experience in this kind of activity tend to reappear at > workshop after workshop. > > Crystallography as a discipline is certainly full of highly qualified > women, but the scope for asking "more junior women" to teach these > particular workshops - or in general for broadening the base of tutors - > is limited by the fact that the pool of people with the qualifications > and experience to teach such courses at a high level is truly tiny. > > Yours, > > Rasmus Fogh > > > On 05/02/2020 18:21, Diana Tomchick wrote: > > Then ask more “junior women.” This isn’t rocket science, after alll. > > > > Diana > > > > ****************************** > > Diana R. Tomchick > > Department of Biophysics, Rm. ND10.214A > > University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center > > 5323 Harry Hines Blvd. > > Dallas, TX 75061 USA > > 214-645-6383 (office) > > > >> On Feb 5, 2020, at 12:09 PM, Goldman, Adrian > >> <adrian.gold...@helsinki.fi> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > >> EXTERNAL MAIL > >> > >> Phoebe and all, > >> > >> What I heard recently (I have no idea whether it applies in this > >> particular case…) is that organisers of conferences/meetings often > >> have considerable difficulty getting women speakers in the first place > >> - apparently 85% of the XYs asked say “yes” and only 50% (less?) of > >> the XXs. Presumably not to GRCs, or to keynote a major international > >> symposium - but ? Precisely for this kind of event. I was told this is > >> because the senior women get asked more often, as there are (qv) fewer > >> of them, and so there is meeting-attendance-burnout. > >> > >> Adrian > >> > >>> On 5 Feb 2020, at 18:00, Phoebe A. Rice <pr...@uchicago.edu > >>> <mailto:pr...@uchicago.edu <pr...@uchicago.edu>>> wrote: > >>> > >>> While there is some truth to that argument, the problem is that it is > >>> harder to achieve an international reputation in the first place > >>> while being routinely overlooked. > >>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >>> Phoebe A. Rice > >>> Dept. of Biochem & Mol. Biol. and > >>> Committee on Microbiology > >>> https://voices.uchicago.edu/phoebericelab/ > >>> *From:*CCP4 bulletin board <CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > >>> <mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK <CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>>> on behalf of > Andrew Leslie > >>> <and...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk <mailto:and...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk > <and...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>>> > >>> *Reply-To:*Andrew Leslie <and...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk > >>> <mailto:and...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk <and...@mrc-lmb.cam.ac.uk>>> > >>> *Date:*Wednesday, February 5, 2020 at 11:56 AM > >>> *To:*"CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK <mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > <CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>>" > >>> <CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK <mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > <CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK>>> > >>> *Subject:*Re: [ccp4bb] Macromolecular Crystallography workshop in > >>> South America 2020 > >>> Dear All, > >>> In fairness to the organisers, I would like to point > >>> out that there is nothing that is “lazy” about organising these > >>> workshops. It involves a considerable effort both in arranging the > >>> course, the venue and especially in attracting funds to support the > >>> workshop (it is important to note that CCP4 does not supply all the > >>> funds). In addition, it is unfair to single out this particular > >>> workshop for criticism, as I believe it has long been the case that > >>> these workshops have not had a good gender balance in terms of the > >>> tutors. It is also important to realise that the gender imbalance > >>> does NOT extend to choice of the students, where as far as I am aware > >>> the gender balance is always very good. > >>> One difficulty the organisers face is that funding will typically > >>> depend on having tutors with an international reputation in the areas > >>> in which they are teaching, ideally having been involved in > >>> developing the software that is being used. Unfortunately, this > >>> inevitably leads to gender bias. > >>> While I would agree that this is an issue that is worthy of being > >>> raised, and I feel sure that this point will be taken on board by > >>> future organisers, it is also important to realise the practical > >>> difficulties that organisers face and the considerable effort that is > >>> involved in running these workshops. > >>> Regards, > >>> Andrew Leslie > >>>> On 5 Feb 2020, at 00:30, Alejandro Buschiazzo <ale...@pasteur.edu.uy > >>>> <mailto:ale...@pasteur.edu.uy <ale...@pasteur.edu.uy>>> wrote: > >>>> Dear colleagues, > >>>> > >>>> We are pleased to announce the 8^th South American Macromolecular > >>>> Crystallography School: > >>>> > >>>> *Macromolecular Crystallography School 2020 * > >>>> *"Structural Biology to enhance high impact research in health and > >>>> disease”* > >>>> To be held at the Institut Pasteur de Montevideo (Uruguay) > >>>> - September 9-19, 2020 > >>>> > >>>> *http://pasteur.uy/novedades/mx2020/* > >>>> > >>>> *The application deadline is July 9, 2020. *For further inquiries : > >>>> mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy <mailto:mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy > <mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy>> > >>>> Main Topics: > >>>>> > >>>>> ·data processing; > >>>>> > >>>>> ·phasing and structure determination; > >>>>> > >>>>> ·model refinement and validation; > >>>>> > >>>>> ·introduction to crystallography + cryo-electron microscopy > integration > >>>>> > >>>> > >>>> Confirmed speakers and tutors (so far... a few more will join the > >>>> crew): > >>>> > >>>> Alejandro Buschiazzo (InstitutPasteurdeMontevideo, Uruguay) > >>>> Paul Emsley (Laboratory of Molecular Biology MRC, Cambridge, UK) > >>>> Rafael Junqueira Borges (Instituto de Biociências UNESP, Botucatu, > >>>> Brazil) > >>>> Ronan Keegan (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK) > >>>> Eugene Krissinel (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK) > >>>> Joāo Muniz (Instituto deFisica de São Carlos, Brazil) > >>>> Garib Murshudov (Laboratory of Molecular Biology MRC, Cambridge, UK) > >>>> Colin Palmer (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP-EM, Didcot, UK) > >>>> James Parkhurst (Diamond Light Source, Didcot, UK) > >>>> Randy Read (University of Cambridge, UK) > >>>> Kyle Stevenson (STFC Rutherford Appleton Lab - CCP4, Didcot, UK) > >>>> Clemens Vonrhein (Global Phasing Ltd, Cambridge, UK) > >>>> > >>>> *Please find the application form and further contact information at > >>>> http://pasteur.uy/novedades/mx2020/* > >>>> (this www site will be updated regularly, so stay tuned!) > >>>> > >>>> This Workshop is supported by the Collaborative Computational > >>>> Project Nº4 (CCP4, UK) & Science and Technology Facilities Council > >>>> (UK); the Centro de Biologia Estructural del Mercosur (CeBEM); and > >>>> the Programa Iberoamericano de Ciencia y Tecnologia para el > >>>> Desarrollo (CYTED) through de MICROBES consortium. > >>>> > >>>> Organizers: > >>>> Alejandro Buschiazzo, PhD. Institut Pasteur de Montevideo, Uruguay > >>>> Kyle Stevenson, DPhil. CCP4, STFC Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, > >>>> United Kingdom > >>>> Richard Garratt, PhD. Instituto de Fisica de Sao Carlos, USP, Brazil > >>>> > >>>> Applicants: > >>>> 25 students will be selected, prioritizing advanced PhD, postdocs > >>>> and young researchers. The Course will provide financial support > >>>> covering registration fees, and for the case of those students > >>>> coming from abroad, all local expenses (lodging, per diem and local > >>>> transportation). Look in the www site for details on application > >>>> procedures. > >>>> > >>>> *The application deadline is July 9, 2020.* > >>>> > >>>> Please address further inquiries to: mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy > >>>> <mailto:mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy <mx2...@pasteur.edu.uy>> > >>>> > >>>> Looking forward to hosting you in Montevideo! > >>>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>>> To unsubscribe from the CCP4BB list, click the following link: > >>>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=CCP4BB&A=1 > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> > >>> To unsubscribe from the CCP4BB list, click the following link: > >>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=CCP4BB&A=1 > >>> > >>> > >>> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >>> > >>> To unsubscribe from the CCP4BB list, click the following link: > >>> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=CCP4BB&A=1 > >>> > >> > >> > >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> To unsubscribe from the CCP4BB list, click the following link: > >> https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=CCP4BB&A=1 > >> > >> CAUTION: This email originated from outside UTSW. 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