Any paper published should share the data publicly, it is the job of the journal editor to ask so. If they don't want to disclose to scientific community then, how one could trust the data published in that paper describes active site and key structural information. Contact the editor of the journal, that's ideal.
On Tue, Apr 7, 2020, 10:41 PM Frank von Delft <[email protected]> wrote: > I meant: complain to the editor for accepting a paper without released > coordinates. We as a community fought and won that battle >20 years ago - > so we have the weight of history on our side. > > > On 07/04/2020 17:05, Schreuder, Herman /DE wrote: > > Dear Frank, > > > > here I disagree. I think it is bad practice to complain to the editors or > start naming and shaming before asking the authors first. Only if they do > not want to cooperate, it would be time to bring the flame-throwers in > position. > > > > However, I think the situation is more subtle and that that is the reason > Artem wrote his email: He wants the data, but does not want to reveal his > identity to his competitors, who apparently made a significant effort not > to reveal any useful details. > > > > Here I would let me guide by the (perceived) commercial interest: if it is > not gigantic, then I would contact the authors to prevent a wasteful > duplication of research efforts. > > If there is a significant commercial interest, it would probably be better > not to contact them and go the hard way of solving the structure yourself. > A thing to consider is also what would happen if the authors still would > refuse: they know the identity of the competitor and you still do not have > the data. > > > > An alternative may be to ask an academic friend who also works on sausage > esterases to inquire with the authors… > > > > Good luck with your decision! > > Herman > > > > *Von:* CCP4 bulletin board <[email protected]> <[email protected]> *Im > Auftrag von *Frank von Delft > *Gesendet:* Dienstag, 7. April 2020 17:19 > *An:* [email protected] > *Betreff:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [ccp4bb] on-topic: your opinions requested! > > > > *EXTERNAL : *Real sender is [email protected] > > > > Write to the editor - that's their job. > > Though they may also see it as their job to ignore emails like yours > because that's far easier than dealing with them. > > Alternatively, go the Rupp Route: Name and Shame! ;) > > On 07/04/2020 16:08, Artem Evdokimov wrote: > > Dear CCP4ers, > > > > I would like to solicit your thoughts on the following (this is a real > situation, but salient details are changed): > > > > Imagine that you're an industrial scientist in a small company, working on > the Bavarian Sausage (Weisswurst) Esterase project. The overall structure > is previously unknown, with no good homologs in the PDB, trying to model > is "OK not great" so the structure is really needed... > > > > Then, you find an article from a large commercial competitor, that somehow > managed to solve the Stadtwurst (Saxony Sausage) Esterase structure (which > is a very close homolog to the one you need!). > > > > Sounds good - but as you read the paper you realize that the authors > managed to find a journal that allowed them to publish their work without > disclosing neither the coordinates of the model, nor even the > crystallization conditions of the protein - all that's available is a > tantalizing still picture of the active site in surface mode, with a > ball-and-stick ligand positioned such that it is impossible to say what it > interacts with. > > > > So you sit and ponder - whether to write to the Editor, or maybe to > contact the authors directly (but then they would know that you're working > on this, which is not necessarily great since you're competing), or to just > buck up and do the structure on your own (which feels a bit wasteful). > Then, you realize that your friends at CCP4 have a lot of wisdom to offer, > so you sit down and pen an email... > > > > Any thoughts? > > > > Artem > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the CCP4BB list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=CCP4BB&A=1 > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.jiscmail.ac.uk_cgi-2Dbin_webadmin-3FSUBED1-3DCCP4BB-26A-3D1&d=DwMFaQ&c=Dbf9zoswcQ-CRvvI7VX5j3HvibIuT3ZiarcKl5qtMPo&r=HK-CY_tL8CLLA93vdywyu3qI70R4H8oHzZyRHMQu1AQ&m=yyLzWvA2WqYlYHjvwWG6lk3OIm5wwZN_UsYlNbf8Meo&s=zldJ57kosENgJpj99VYugwSVD8wrOzyvCgE4aQH58wc&e=> > > > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the CCP4BB list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=CCP4BB&A=1 > <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.jiscmail.ac.uk_cgi-2Dbin_webadmin-3FSUBED1-3DCCP4BB-26A-3D1&d=DwMFaQ&c=Dbf9zoswcQ-CRvvI7VX5j3HvibIuT3ZiarcKl5qtMPo&r=HK-CY_tL8CLLA93vdywyu3qI70R4H8oHzZyRHMQu1AQ&m=yyLzWvA2WqYlYHjvwWG6lk3OIm5wwZN_UsYlNbf8Meo&s=zldJ57kosENgJpj99VYugwSVD8wrOzyvCgE4aQH58wc&e=> > > > > ------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the CCP4BB list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=CCP4BB&A=1 > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the CCP4BB list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=CCP4BB&A=1
