Could you point out where in this document the license is described? While not particularly relevant to your question, TNT is a reasonable example of what Ethan is talking about. TNT was always "open source" since all source code was distributed to every user. It has never been "free", however. To get it one had to agree to the license from the University of Oregon and, if a for-profit organization, pay money.
Dale Tronrud On 5/7/2020 10:18 AM, Roversi, Pietro (Dr.) wrote: > Thank you Ethan for taking the the time to answer and explain. > Yes I am sure I have asked a vague and imprecise question. > > Practically, I am going to point to xia2 for data processing: > https://www.ccp4.ac.uk/newsletters/newsletter48/articles/Xia2/manual.html > > and hope it is "Open Source enough" - without too much scrutiny on > dependencies? > > So, what about a refinement suite of programs that is "just as Open > Source" as xia2 is for data processing? > > Unless this second message of mine is making my re-drafted question > worse than the original one 🙂. > > with best wishes, > > Pietro > > Pietro Roversi > > Lecturer (Teaching and Research) https://le.ac.uk/natural-sciences/ > > LISCB Wellcome Trust ISSF Fellow > > <https://bit.ly/2I4Wm5Z>https://le.ac.uk/liscb/research-groups/pietro-roversi > > > Leicester Institute of Structural and Chemical Biology > Department of Molecular and Cell Biology, University of Leicester > Henry Wellcome Building > Lancaster Road, Leicester, LE1 7HB > England, United Kingdom > > Skype: roversipietro > Mobile phone +44 (0) 7927952047 > Tel. +44 (0)116 2297237 > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* Ethan A Merritt <[email protected]> > *Sent:* 07 May 2020 18:08 > *To:* Roversi, Pietro (Dr.) <[email protected]> > *Cc:* [email protected] <[email protected]> > *Subject:* Re: [ccp4bb] What refinement programs are fully Open Source? >  > On Thursday, 7 May 2020 09:34:13 PDT Roversi, Pietro (Dr.) wrote: >> Dear all, >> >> we are in the editorial stages of a manuscript that I submitted to Wellcome >> Open Research for publication. >> >> The journal/editor ask us to list fully Open Source alternatives to the >> pieces of software we used, for example for data processing and refinement. >> >> What refinement programs are fully Open Source? > > There are recurring battles and philosophical fractures over what exactly > "open source" means, either in practice or aspirationally. > You would do well to provide a definition before asking people for > suggestions that meet your criteria. > > At one point the Open Source Foundation (OSF) claimed to have the authority > to declare something was or was not "open source" and kept lists of > approved code, but their definition was in conflict with guidelines from > other places including funding agencies [*]. Also the OSF itself seems to > have largely disappeared from view, so maybe that's a bad place to start. > > There are at least two fracture lines in this battle. > The one created by people who feel a need to distinguish between > "free/libre code" and "open code", and the one created by people > whose main concern is "documentation and claims are not enough; > I need to see the code actually used for the calculations reported in > this work". > Then there's the concern mostly of interest to corporate legal > departments "can we use this in our commercial products". > >        Ethan (coding veteran with scars from this battle) > > > [*] it was also in conflict with the ordinary English language meaning > of "open" and "source", which didn't help any. > > >> >> Thanks! >> >> Pietro >> >> >> Pietro Roversi >> >> Lecturer (Teaching and Research) https://le.ac.uk/natural-sciences/ >> >> LISCB Wellcome Trust ISSF Fellow >> >> <https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fbit.ly%2F2I4Wm5Z&data=02%7C01%7Cpr159%40leicester.ac.uk%7Cf8cc2fb23bb84707d7a708d7f2a96338%7Caebecd6a31d44b0195ce8274afe853d9%7C0%7C0%7C637244681673138009&sdata=q7trhrormT%2FziGp11z5wJyroZ1uylcu9KvJVPLSIljg%3D&reserved=0>https://le.ac.uk/liscb/research-groups/pietro-roversi >> >> >> Leicester Institute of Structural and Chemical Biology >> Department of Molecular and Cell Biology, University of Leicester >> Henry Wellcome Building >> Lancaster Road, Leicester, LE1 7HB >> England, United Kingdom >> >> Skype: roversipietro >> Mobile phone +44 (0) 7927952047 >> Tel. +44 (0)116 2297237 >> >> >> >> ######################################################################## >> >> To unsubscribe from the CCP4BB list, click the following link: >> https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.jiscmail.ac.uk%2Fcgi-bin%2Fwebadmin%3FSUBED1%3DCCP4BB%26A%3D1&data=02%7C01%7Cpr159%40leicester.ac.uk%7Cf8cc2fb23bb84707d7a708d7f2a96338%7Caebecd6a31d44b0195ce8274afe853d9%7C0%7C0%7C637244681673138009&sdata=nfhtEWy2FS96MYwaHsT4qoQi%2BMbPetQdTwfAf3FDjGg%3D&reserved=0 >> > > > -- > Ethan A Merritt > Biomolecular Structure Center, K-428 Health Sciences Bldg > MS 357742,  University of Washington, Seattle 98195-7742 > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > To unsubscribe from the CCP4BB list, click the following link: > https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=CCP4BB&A=1 > ######################################################################## To unsubscribe from the CCP4BB list, click the following link: https://www.jiscmail.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?SUBED1=CCP4BB&A=1
