My first encounter with Apple II was in 1978 or so, when we got 2 units at my school. They were each fitted with a pair of Disc II units, and what must have been an 8" B&W CCTV monitor.
Both floppy drives, plus the monitor were heaped atop the rear portion of the Apple II case; drives to the left, monitor to the right, best of my recall. Learned my first BASIC and so forth on those machines. On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 1:03 AM, Brad H <[email protected]> wrote: > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: "drlegendre ." <[email protected]> > Date: 2017-01-03 8:03 PM (GMT-08:00) > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" < > [email protected]> > Subject: Re: was: National Semi... is Apple ][ collectability (if any) > > "Vent-less case" - LoL!! > > Add some RAM, maybe a DISC-II card and those things overheated even +with+ > the vents.. that's why the Cider fan became popular, among other things. > > When I was in high school, we'd pop the case tops open, and run them that > way. Otherwise, they'd overheat and start screwing up after the first or > second class period. > > On Tue, Jan 3, 2017 at 10:36 AM, Brad H <vintagecomputer@ > bettercomputing.net > > wrote: > > > >On 1/2/2017 11:26 PM, Brad H wrote: > > > I brought the RFI thing up with him. No response. There is a legit > Rev > > 1 there too asking $3500. I don't find Apple IIs below Rev 0 that > > interesting anymore, personally. I think even the legit guy would > struggle > > to get much above $1500. > > >The vintagecomputer museum guy on epay is selling mounted and framed > > motherboards now for $1500 (might not >work noted). > > > > >I guess someone would care about low ref Apple 2's but I'm not sure why > > there would be any interest. I've got one >I bought with the original > > packing box, which I have picked and moved twice, which is rare for my > > collecting, but I >don't know what makes any Apple 2 like that > > collectible. As in why are they collectible with low serials / part > > >numbers. > > > > >is there any documentation as to when they were made with those numbers > > that would make them significant? >The numbers made as Raymond said > would > > make most of us with Apple 2's millionaires I'd think unless they have > > >some other significance. > > > > >just curious. > > >thanks > > >Jim > > > > When I got into collecting an original Apple II was as rare as hen's > teeth > > on ebay, etc. Those got huge bucks, regardless of rev. Then sellers > > caught on and stuff started coming out of closets, basements, estate > > sales. I actually track Apple II sales and prices have massively > declined > > since 15 years ago. I mean, there's 60000+ out there theoretically, and > > II+ shared the same components and production lines for a time. Only > diff > > was the ROMs. Now Rev 0 is where it's at, especially a rare ventless > > case. Oh, and late SNs in the 70000 range for some reason still get > > $700-800. I don't know why. > > > > The one thing I can tell you is, if an 'expert' tells you something about > > original II production, there's a good chance they are wrong. Some > > authoritative sources claimed no Rev 02 boards went into public hands, > for > > example, but I have one in my SN 16000s machine. Some would claim that > > can't be original, but it is.. the date code on it is the same as the > > keyboard and case, all right in the range of other 16000 series machines, > > which on either side of mine have Rev 03. Apple didn't use the same rev > > consistently.. sometimes they just grabbed from the pile. It's kind of a > > dogs breakfast after Rev 0. > > > > My Rev 02 operates no differently, other than Integer BASIC, than my RFI > > II+. More and more I'm not finding IIs to be all that amazing or worth > > fighting over. A Rev 0, just owing to the few truly unique design > > features, is the only one I might want now. > > > > > > > > > > Yeah. We were on to IIes when I was in grade school and then Commodores > and PCs after that.. original IIs and II+ were long gone. I have four > units and never have any issue but come to think of it I do tend to run > them case top off. I imagine other users might have run them with the > monitor (another massive heat source) sitting right on top. > I think the ventless cases also were made of a weaker plastic that melted > and warped just from the heat of the innards. The few examples I've seen > are almost invariably somewhat concave.
