Ray also has similar reference charts for 4116 & 41256 type chips on his most excellent (PC-centric) site :
http://www.minuszerodegrees.net/memory/4116.htm http://www.minuszerodegrees.net/memory/41256.htm m ----- Original Message ----- From: "dwight via cctalk" <[email protected]> To: "Chuck Guzis" <[email protected]>; "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2017 9:30 AM Subject: Re: NEC 4164-12 Nice chart Chuck. Dwight ________________________________ From: cctalk <[email protected]> on behalf of Chuck Guzis via cctalk <[email protected]> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2017 10:19:53 PM To: dwight via cctalk Subject: Re: NEC 4164-12 On 10/28/2017 10:14 PM, dwight via cctalk wrote: > One caution for 4164s. When they first came out, there were some that were > 256 cycle refresh and others that were 128 cycle. > > There is no way by looking at them to tell which is which other than getting > a matching original manufacture document. > > Many machines expect 128 cycle. You can use 256 cycle on chips designed for > 128 but not the other way around. > > Most Z80 setups only do 128 unless it has additional hardware to handle the > extra bit ( not to likely ). > There's a great chart of the 4164s and their characteristics here: http://www.minuszerodegrees.net/memory/4164.htm NEC 4164 use 128 cycle refresh, but so do many others. --Chuck
