On 6/10/20 4:31 PM, Jon Elson wrote:
On 06/10/2020 12:48 PM, Charles via cctalk wrote:
That leaves the unlikely possibility that one of the octal TTL
devices, or ROMs. has developed a weird internal pathway that only
interferes with DAL3 & 1 on some bit patterns, but not all the time.
Seems like a zebra rather than a horse. The only part that drives
multiple low-order DAL lines at once besides the E19-22 ROMs is the
E55 LS245.
Quite possible that this could happen when a specific device is
driving the bus -- or that NOBODY is driving the bus in that state.
When it is stuck at the ~1V level, try a resistor of about 1 K to
ground on one of those lines. If it moves several hundred mV lower,
it is a TTL open circuit. If it doesn't change at all, it is a bus
contention (TWO drivers driving at once).
Jon
Yes, I've been experimenting with this. It's not 1 volt, it's 4 to 3
volts and back again at the rate the lines should be switching :)
If it were contention caused by the LS245, the short circuit current
would be far higher. I've also tried strapping the OE\ on the '245 high
with no change. I removed all four ROMs and if there's bus contention it
is not coming from them. Unfortunately the USART and UART are not in
sockets, but no change when their chip selects are forced invalid.
Even more interestingly, I have discovered that when the T11 is crashed
completely (e.g. after I slip with a scope probe on the DAL or other
lines), if I connect DAL3 when at a steady high, through a 1K to ground,
results in a 0-3 volt output switching at the instruction cycle rate
with a slow risetime and a rapid fall! That is not possible if the bus
were tristated or in contention...
There has to be something in the T11 internal drivers that is latching
up somehow. It would really help to have another T11 aka 310 aka
21-17311 ALSO aka KR1807VM1 (Russian clone) to try - but apparently the
Atari enthusiasts have snapped them all up and I refuse to pay over $100
for a tested working one on Ebay!
