Fred, let’s have more! 
Very interesting and fun to know this stuff.

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> On Nov 19, 2025, at 11:20, Fred Cisin via cctalk <[email protected]> 
> wrote:
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>> 
>>>> And rememember that windowing option in DOS, on a 8088?  What was it
>>>> called?
> 
>> On Wed, 19 Nov 2025, Christian Groessler via cctalk wrote:
>> GEM
> 
> "Graphics Environment Manager was from Digital Research, in 1985.  Xerox 
> Ventura 2.0 bundled and used it!
> Apple sued DRI, over the "look and feel" [and taste and smell] as being too 
> close a copy of Lisa and Mac OS.  Replacing the greeting splash screen 
> "Hello" with "Hi" was not considered to be enough difference.
> That encouraged Apple to sue lots nore people, including Microsoft
> GEM 2.0 made "MAJOR" changes, such as replacing the trash-can icon.
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEM_(desktop_environment)
> 
> PCTools (from Central Point (CopyII)) did text mode windows.
> BUT, to keep from disrupting the screen display with "Abort, Retry, Ignore" 
> messages, it took over the critical error handler, and set it for IGNORE for 
> all errors!  That meant, that any hard error would result in loss of data, 
> without notification!
> 
> and, cetainly NO discussion of alternatives could be complete without 
> remembering "BOB"!
> Microsoft released it as a "more user friendly" interface, optionally 
> supplanting program manager on win 3.1, Win95, and even WinNT.  They 
> releasede it on March 10 1995.
> It was widely ridiculed, and quietly discontinued it in early 1996.
> BUT, it gave rise to "Clippy", an annoying animated paper-clip "office 
> assistant" in Microsoft Office, and later "Rover", an animated "search 
> companion" in WinXP's file-search.
> "#1 worst product of the decade" - CNET
> #7 of "25 worst products of all time" - PCWorld
> "Microsoft's Steve Ballmer mentioned Bob as an example in which "we decided 
> that we have not succeeded and let's stop [now]."[19]"
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_Bob
> 
> want more? or have I already bored y'all enough?
> 
> --
> Grumpy Ol' Fred             [email protected]

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