Pearl clutching and lamenting about what I don't know is sad.Unless TPM 2.0
cuts off any path but windows, Free O/S will flourish.

On Mon, Nov 24, 2025 at 12:03 PM ben via cctalk <[email protected]>
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> On 2025-11-24 8:35 a.m., Paul Koning wrote:
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> >> On Nov 23, 2025, at 10:34 PM, ben via cctalk <[email protected]>
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> >> You have no software ownership any more, or control over you computer.
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> > You forgot about open source.  This issue is precisely why it was
> created and why it is such a big deal.
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> The hardware is NOT!
> CP/M had open source hardware, and bios routines.
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> > Yes, if you actually run Windows on your poor innocent PC, you're
> correct.
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> STRANGE, I RUN WINDOWS*.It works with my hardware. Linux does not.It
> never did with any computer I ever had.I had a PDP 8,clone once that
> never ran windows or unix. (spare time gizmos). I could find free FPGA
> software with windows but my designs never compiled properly.
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> *Darn caps lock key. I hate modern keyboards.The ASR 33 I liked.The
> surplus keyboards of the 70's I liked.
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> I said UNIX, and implied the historic versions for the pdp 11 and pdp 7.
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> Was giving it away free the only advantage, or what could be OPEN SOURCE
> for the time? (when nobody is looking, we will copy a tape for you).
> Ignoring politics what was the advantage over other operating systems?
> PDP-11's with a MMU. cheap compared to the IBM-370's?
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> The C compiler for UNIX, I think was more important for UNIX development
> as it was a production compiler, compared to toy language like pascal.
> It also was small compared with today.
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> Having 100's of students write 'hello world' was important back then.
> Pascal,C,BASIC all work. I ended up on the pc side of computing
> thus better hardware and software I never had.
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> Looking back in history, the PDP 11 and the PDP 10 was not better
> but just the 'first'. Important but not better hardware wise.
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> Ben.
> PS. Notice how you can't run a program over night, with windows
> demanding some stupid update and reset.
> PPS: DEC and IBM in the 70's were the most known but what others like
> Philips P856.
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