Specific graphics can relate to branding; if they didn't want to do that, I can understand it.
They did put a lot of work into clang/llvm and CUPS, and that's certainly benefited others. They've open sourced some things they wrote themselves (or bought), like libdispatch and the Swift compiler front-end, and FoundationDB. As to why they do some things and not others, why do most people or organizations do most things? For advantage, or sometimes because their lawyers told them to. Now not all advantage is to anyone else's disadvantage, nor necessarily measurable in single-quarter profit. But selfless virtue should not be expected of any organization. :-) > On Jun 17, 2018, at 11:13, Antonis Tsolomitis <antonis.tsolomi...@gmail.com > <mailto:antonis.tsolomi...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > > Exactly. This is the problem. One says "allow me so I can improve the > project" and > after you allow s/he says "I will not contribute back". > > This was why I mentioned Apple. Is it true of false that Apple used BSD to > build > their Os? Is it true or false that they made billions of dollars with the > help of it? > Is it true or false that the BSD community asked Apple to donate a few icons > for their desktop, as a "thank you", and Apple refused? > > This is the information I read on sites such as linuxtoday.com > <http://linuxtoday.com/> at that time. > If false, OK. I will not trust linuxtoday again and forget what follows. > > For me what Apple did was OK with the license, but if they indeed refused > to donate a few desktop icons back to the project then I find this > a strongly unethical attitude allowed by the license. > > I am not a developer of CDE. Developers will decide what they want to do > in the future. I just express my opinion since Jon asked about opinions. > > Antonis. > > > > Στις 16/06/2018 10:20 μμ, ο Chase έγραψε: >> I can see both sides of the argument, although I must say that permissive >> licenses rarely see corporate users contribute back their code, Andrew >> tanenbaum, creator of Minix, received a letter from an employee of intel >> stating how intel preferred permissively licensed software to copyleft >> software as they wouldn't have to give their contributions to their >> competitors, which meant they were able to use Minix in the intel management >> engine without contributing code back to Minix. Although, I also think that >> the market CDE was created for, workstations, is long dead and gone, and >> thus any meaningful corporate contributions to CDE with it. I say we simply >> stick with LGPL, motif hasn't moved yet, the xutils havent moved, so that is >> going to be a lot of work for what seems to be very little reward. >> >> Also, as far as I can tell (I am not a lawyer), the EPL is only incompatible >> with the GPL, not the LGPL, so we could probably still see an updated >> kornshell in CDE. I would however like to see the assets bumped to >> CC-BY-SA-4.0 still. >> >> Thank you for your time, >> -Chase >> >> >> ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐‐‐‐‐ >> On June 14, 2018 5:27 AM, Antonis Tsolomitis <antonis.tsolomi...@gmail.com> >> <mailto:antonis.tsolomi...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> On 14/06/2018 12:55 μμ, Matthew R. Trower wrote: >>>> You seem to hold developers in low regard. Please consider: what happens >>>> to a project with no developers? >>>> >>> >>> Of course not. I have developed many things in the TeX world and of course >>> I am grateful to >>> Jon and others who worked hard to free CDE and make it work. >>> >>> So on the contrary, I am grateful to developers. I am just afraid that a >>> wrong turn will >>> hurt again CDE. That is all. >>> >>> And what about users? I have proof for the other direction. I have paid for >>> CDE and >>> as a user I was treated with disrespect.* >>> >>> Someone must think of the users too. Not only the developers. >>> >>> Antonis. >>> >>> >>> *The only useful thing about that buy was the book it came with the CD >>> which I now use >>> with the LGPL CDE. >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Check out the vibrant tech community on one of the world's most > engaging tech sites, Slashdot.org <http://slashdot.org/>! > http://sdm.link/slashdot_______________________________________________ > <http://sdm.link/slashdot_______________________________________________> > cdesktopenv-devel mailing list > cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net > <mailto:cdesktopenv-devel@lists.sourceforge.net> > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/cdesktopenv-devel
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