On Tue, 1 May 2001, Cristiano Lerotti wrote:
>>>>Arnold, the main author of CDRwin?
>
>It was used to be "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" and I don't think
>he changed his ISP in last couple of years (see goldenhawk.com
>nameservers).
>
>[EMAIL PROTECTED] should be fine too.
Ok, thanks, I'll pass the info on.
>>>for cd recording, I heard that he is going to retire.
>>
>>Hmm. That's sad to see. I may be an advocate of open source,
>>but I also believe in being unbiased as well, and giving credit
>>where credit is due. I prefer, use, and advocate open source
>>software wherever possible, however I must say that I also think
>>that CDRwin is a fine program.
>>
>>Authors of open source CD burning software would do well by
>>emulating the complete feature set and ease of use of Jeff's
>>software.
>
>This guy made very questionable things with his program, full
>of anti-pirating traps that helped many official customer make
>dozen of coasters, and increased the number of bugs (no-sense
>added complexity => bugs).
Yes, I've heard of people pirating obtaining those results.
>He started to marked his program as the first software in able
>to copy PSX disks (in fact, it was formely known as "psxcopy",
>lately renamed to dao, then cdrwin for the Windoze version),
>gaining attention from 99.9% pirates, then exhibited the bad
>attitude I cited before.. strange, isn't it?
Hmm.
>Last, the problem is in a "freeze" state from years now, and..
>many better programs both for Windows and for Un*x (thanks to
>Joerg & Andreas) are available.
Well personally, I use Xcdroast for burning, and hence cdrecord
as well. cdrecord does not support DAO on my burner (HP7200i)
whereas any Winders software I've ever tried *does* support DAO
on my burner. Just to add a datapoint. I'm not saying that
cdrecord isn't good, as it is fantastic IMHO, but it is
disappointing to see a common drive unsupported for so long in
DAO mode. Trying to make DAO disks with other software in Linux
has resulted in many a frisbee.
Advocating free software is all good, but so is getting work
done, and on more than one occasion in the interest of getting
the job done I've had to reboot into Windows and kill a nice 6
month uptime just to DAO burn with CDRWin or other software.
People have told me that cdrdao can do it now, but every time
I've tried to obtain cdrdao and gcdmaster, either it wouldn't
compile on a clean Red Hat Linux release out of the box, or I had
to update a bunch of core system libraries which I wasn't
comfortable with doing for one program. The one time I got it to
build and install, the GUI gcdmaster was only minimally
functional, and crashed randomly.
I want to make it clear that I am *NOT* complaining here at all.
I am just pointing out my experience with "drop it in and use
it", has been not good with Linux CD burning software.
cdrecord/mkisofs/xcdroast always worked well and continue to do,
so long as no DAO is needed for me.
One problem I'm having is solving this for someone *else* right
now. Someone who isn't a code monkey / package monkey that wants
to use Linux to do real work, and just wants to get a package in
rpm format, install it, and click on an icon and have a nice GUI
come up that lets him do what he can do in Windows with the CDR
software available. I am trying hard right now to help this
transition happen but having some trouble convincing people that
it will be smooth sailing for them.
CDRWin in this case "does the job" for them and doesn't require
knowing intimate details of the system, or running around finding
dependancies (or even knowing what that means).
What I'd like to say is "just download Linux cdrwhiz, it comes
with ALL the stuff you need to burn CD's in Linux and is as easy
to use and as powerful as any of the software you use in Linux,
and will work with your hardware also".
But right now, I can't say that with confidence. Again, if this
was a home computer of a friend or something, I could "hack it
out" no problem, but this is a real business problem, that wants
a turn-key solution with no fuss. CDRwin is currently that
turnkey solution unfortunately, instead of open source software.
I do agree with him though (in my own mind) that CDRwin does the
job he needs to do nicer than anything I've seen in Linux - from
an end user perspective. I want to *change* that of course.
>In short, taking in account the past, I'm not so upset if this
>guy fade out from the "cd-recording" scene: respect of the
>customer base, both if he paid (in the case of commercial
>software) or not (free software), is the way for a software to
>survive.
I agree with you on the free software part of course, but
although I advocate open source, I believe very much in being
honest and unbiased about the state of a given area of software.
If someone comes to me and asks me if they can do something in
Linux, chances are the answer is "yes". For a *lot* of those
things the answer is "yes, and it is as easy or easier than it is
in windows", but I won't lie to someone and tell them it is point
and click if it is not. Instead, I'll tell them something more
like "it might not be 100%, but it is 90%, and if you spend a bit
of time learning it you'll find you like the freedom you have
better, and eventually it will become 120%".
We all know open source is the way to go, but it simply doesn't
do 100% for 100% of the people in 100% of the cases, and whereas
I can work around the "missing pieces" if you will - in my home
environment, a business environment is much different and some
people are unwilling to change unless _they_ see what _they_
want. Our arguments don't always work on them as they are
looking for results, and often see our words as religion -
although I never present it in that way.
Sorry for the long winded random banter. ;o) Feel free to smack
me upside the head if I've made your ears numb. ;o)
Take care guys!
TTYL
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