Just to add to Justin's line of reasoning (of which I am in agreement with), it
seems to me that JV is the most likely division not to make at most of the west
coast tournaements. Often, this is because coaches are hesitant to put those
with a little bit of experience in parli or policy into JV because it is likely
to be collapsed with open. I think this rule would help boost JV divisions and
might actually help them make at some tournaments where they are not making
now. This would likely give a place for true novices to move up and test their
abilities without having to debate in open division. I will be the first to
admit that recruiting on campus is one of those things that is really an
after-thought much of the time. But, Justin provides some great ideas snd the
Rookie Tournament at Chico has been a real boon for recruiting each and every
year. Getting a taste of competition really serves to generate interest in
students. I would like to see
JV divisions start making at more regional tournaments, and to be a true
"learning" experience for students with limited experience.
Sue Peterson
Director of Speech and Debate at CSU Chico
530-809-0291
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Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt man doing it.
Chinese Proverb
----- Original Message ----
From: Justin Green <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2007 9:04:33 AM
Subject: Re: [CEDA-L] Novice Amendment Issues - Recruitment
Additional arguments in favor of making LD count towards novice retention....
1 - LD experience is not necessary to fill the novice ranks - perhaps
different recruiting tactics can be necessary. Argumentation classes,
word of mouth, facebook groups, signs, showing up at the Black Student
Alliance and College Republicans meetings, and publicized campus wide
"try-outs" where the winner receives "a spot on the Kansas State
Debate team where all of there travelling costs are taken care of"
have all produced solid numbers. This method utilized at Vermont,
Georgetown, North Texas and now Kansas State leads me to believe
LD'ers are not necessary to fill up the novice division. But some
directors do not recruit heavily or view it as a concern. I am
actually more interested in hearing what others have done that works
or fails than debating this rule, so any backchannels of successful
tactics are appreciated.
2 - We in Kansas with novice debaters (JCCC, KCKCC, KSU, Emporia, to
some extent UMKC) are at a severe novice recruiting competitive
disadvantage. There are not novice eligible debaters with LD
experience. All of the debaters in Kansas compete in policy debate in
the Fall and LD in the Spring. The correlation between novice
nationals champions who have LD experience, especialy Nationally
Travelling LD experience, might provide cause for concern.
3 - JV is for intermediate debaters...The purpose for novice is to
teach a skill to a group of people who have not encountered it...An LD
debater from Dallas or the LA area or Chicago or New York is far more
likely to be prepared to go JV in college than a debater with policy
experience from many rural areas across the country. The biggest
difference for KSU between novice and JV: do they engage in a style of
debate that involves comparisons on many levels? For KSU debaters
this means FLOWING and LINE BY LINE debating - for others there are
different techniques, but those who have been asked to explore
ARGUMENT are usually better off than those who have merely asked to
give poetic speeches to community members. The difference between LD
and policy experience is so negligible for the majority of the country
that we should err towards protecting those who can gain the most from
the activity our most inexperienced.
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