"Whatever one does on Earth does not alter the ultimate fate that may await him. Whether we mock Him or do not believe in Him, or worship other gods, or praise Him at every turn as in ritual prayers, does not make any difference at all to Him. He knows already what his creations would or would not do. He does not succumb to jealousy nor does He become wrathful if you worship other gods or disobey His commandments. After all, He is the master of the Universe and our creator. One can suppose He has total discretion in fashioning His creations and would know what they would do."
Please cite the authority/resource for your statement, is this opinion? _____ From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of [email protected] Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 5:37 AM To: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Cc: [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected]; [email protected] Subject: [Possible SPAM]:Prayers If one accepts the following notions: 1) God is omnipotent. 2) He is our creator. 3) He is perfect. 4) His knowledge is unbounded by time; he knows the future, the present and the past. 5) Predestination. then all the rest of religion, including prayers, is just clutter. Whatever one does on Earth does not alter the ultimate fate that may await him. Whether we mock Him or do not believe in Him, or worship other gods, or praise Him at every turn as in ritual prayers, does not make any difference at all to Him. He knows already what his creations would or would not do. He does not succumb to jealousy nor does He become wrathful if you worship other gods or disobey His commandments. After all, He is the master of the Universe and our creator. One can suppose He has total discretion in fashioning His creations and would know what they would do. ......Cesar P. -----Original Message----- From: Cesar Lumba <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Fri, 13 Feb 2009 8:46 am Subject: Re: David, Every politician and public figure in the U.S. must publicly declare that they believe in prayer - in God, apple pie and football. Otherwise, they might just as well stay home and clip coupons. As far as MLK, Jr. is concerned, he was after all a Protestant Minister. The important consideration is what we individually think. If you believe prayer works for you, go ahead and pray. 80 million Filipinos who pray everyday and whose prayers are not answered may no longer believe as you do and may in fact be praying or mouthing words out of habit. My hope as a member of CRGP is that we will some day realize that prayer is not an instrument for social change. Filipinos must stop praying and concentrate on just doing the legal and moral and just simply do the right things. Since God is already perfect and immutable, as Louie F has reminded us, He doesn't need our prayers. Thirty trillion prayers said simultaneously will have no effect on Him. What we have to do is to take steps that will lead to a cleaner government, more honest governance and a better life for the people of the Philippines. Among Ed does not spend all his days praying at his office in the Pampanga Governor's mansion. He is out in the streets doing the work he was elected to do. Cesar On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 6:18 PM, Laurel,David,MAKATI,CORPORATE AFFAIRS <[email protected]> wrote: Human progress is neither automatic nor inevitable... Every step toward the goal of justice requires sacrifice, suffering, and struggle; the tireless exertions and passionate concern of dedicated individuals. Martin Luther King, Jr. "We never go around asking for miracles or intervention from God. We do everything ourselves and expect God to be on the sidelines, smiling in satisfaction that we have found the formula for success." Here are couple of americans who would disagree with you: Prayers of the Presidents The U.S. presidents have led America in praying for peace and protection throughout our nation's history. During the days of the Civil War, Abraham Lincoln lamented, We have been recipients of the choicest bounties of Heaven...but we have forgotten God....We have forgotten the gracious hand which preserved us in peace....Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become too self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us." From our earliest days as a nation, a legacy of blessing has been poured on America through the prayers of her presidents. That legacy began with George Washington as he concluded his service as the Continental Army's Commander in Chief. On June 14, 1783, Washington wrote all the governors of the newly freed states urging them to join him in this earnest prayer: "Almighty God, We make our earnest prayer that Thou wilt keep the United States in Thy holy protection: that Thou wilt incline the hearts of the citizens to cultivate a spirit of subordination and obedience to government, and entertain a brotherly affection and love for one another and for their fellow citizens of the United States at large. And finally that Thou wilt most graciously be pleased to dispose us all to do justice, to love mercy, and to demean ourselves with that charity, humility, and pacific temper of mind which were the characteristics of the Divine Author of our blessed religion, and without a humble imitation of whose example in these things we can never hope to be a happy nation. Grant our supplication, we beseech Thee, through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen." We should be thankful for the freedom, prosperity and blessings that America has enjoyed for over 200 years and join the presidents in praying: "Almighty God, Who has given us this good land for our heritage; We humbly beseech Thee that we may always prove ourselves a people mindful of Thy favor and glad to do Thy will. Bless our land with honorable ministry, sound learning, and pure manners....In time of prosperity fill our hearts with thankfulness, and in the day of trouble, suffer not our trust in Thee to fail; all of which we ask through Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen." --Thomas Jefferson (1805) I do therefore recommend a convenient day to be set apart, for the devout purposes of rendering the Sovereign of the Universe, and the Benefactor of Mankind. The public homage due to His holy attributes; of acknowledging the transgressions which might justly provoke the manifestations of His divine displeasure; of seeking his merciful forgiveness, and His assistance in the great duties of repentance and amendment; and, especially, of offering fervent supplications, that, in the present season of calamity and war, He would take the American people under His peculiar care and protection. ~ James Madison (during the War of 1812) At the moment of the greatest military invasion in history, D-Day (June 6, 1944), Franklin D. Roosevelt led the nation in praying: "Almighty God, Our sons, pride of our Nation, this day have set upon a mighty endeavor, a struggle to preserve our Republic, our religion, and our civilization, and to set free a suffering humanity. Lead them straight and true; give strength to their arms, stoutness to their hearts, steadfastness in their faith." Consider the words of President Rutherford B. Hayes (1877-1881): "I am a firm believer in the Divine teachings, perfect example, and atoning sacrifice of Jesus Christ. I believe also in the Holy Scriptures as the revealed word of God to the world for its enlightenment and salvation." As President Hayes and his family prayed daily in the White House, "O Lord our Heavenly Father, who has safely brought us to the beginning of this day; defend us in the same with Thy Almighty power. Grant that we may not fall into any kind of danger and keep us from evil. May all our doings be ordered by Thy governance so that all we do may be righteous in Thy sight. Amen." Finally, your president, Obama allegedly slipped this prayer into the Western Wall in Jerusalem: "Lord - Protect my family and me," Forgive me my sins, and help me guard against pride and despair. Give me the wisdom to do what is right and just. And make me an instrument of your will." Consumatum est. _____ A Good Credit Score is 700 or Above. 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