Jordan :
Thanks for the researched argument. But I will stick with my
characterization of yourself
as Politically Correct --even if it may need some qualification. You do,
after all,
come down on the side of the Democratic Party on a regular basis. True,
someone
can be a Republican and be PC in another way, but to speak of more usual
usage....
As a person who is all in favor of more immigration from India, Japan,
China, etc,
I can hardly fault one feature of the 1965 Act, namely loosening of
immigration
restrictions for Asians. My general attitude is, "the more Asians, the
better."
This said, there is a strong ( strong ) case to the effect that protecting
existing
populations is a worthy goal. I mean, would you recommend a policy that
puts them at risk ? If so, on what grounds ?
This necessarily means population / demographic stabilization , at least
within
parameters that allow for gradual ( gradual ) drift to a modified
population mix.
I know enough about demographics to feel certain in insisting that chaos
is the result when immigration is unrestricted and disregards the
legitimate
concerns of existing populations, --concern about jobs, about culture,
about socialization of children, etc., . Which, BTW, is also an argument
made in India, in the Netherlands, in Australia, and many other places.
As well, there always is an optimal absorption rate. Best estimates I know
about are in the quarter of a million range for the US, with an argument
for
maybe 350,000 or 450,000 still in the ballpark. But beyond that, no way,
Jose.
This being said, and given the fact that the 1965 Act is not solely
responsible
for current immigration problems, nonetheless, it opened the door to
massive abuse,
for which Ted Kennedy has my derision.
I voted for JFK, I supported Robert, but Ted turned out to be an
insufferable
political hack. Again, on some issues the man deserves thanks, but
generally.........
Billy
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In a message dated 8/27/2009 12:24:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
jor...@dea-mattson.com writes:
Hi Billy -
Me political correct? Excuse me? Have you read what I have written over
the last five years I have been on this fourm? And I thought that part of the
credo we were using here was not to make caricatures of people and their
beliefs? If I wanted that kind of response, I would go and watch MSNBC or Fox
News.
I agree that there are issues in our immigration policy, but I do not
believe that the Immigration Act of 1965 is the root cause of them or even a
part of them.
Simply put, the Immigration Act of 1965 did two things:
1. Removed country of preference requirements that drastically favored
Northern and Western Europe (as define in immigration) over anywhere else
in the world (and by the way which put the Irish at a disadvantage)
2. Promoted family reunification as a value in immigration policy
Failure to enforce existing immigration laws, abuse of those laws, etc.,
do not go back to the Immigration Act of 1965.
The underlying thesis of this piece, that Ted Kennedy and the Immigration
Act of 1965, is the root of all that is bad, doesn't hold water.
I also question the motivation of this piece, when all his "bad examples",
are of those of non-Northern/Western European origin. No mention of the
illegal immigrant from Ireland? Of the Irish gangs on the Eastern seaboard?
Jordan
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 12:11 PM, <_bil...@aol.com_ (mailto:bil...@aol.com)
> wrote:
Thanks
I should have caught that. You are right to point out the error in the
essay.
This said, you missed something important, namely the entire thrust of the
article,
which is essentially about the disaster which is US immigration policy.
But given your Political Correctness mindset, I don't really expect
more from you, anyway.
Billy R.
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In a message dated 8/27/2009 12:01:26 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
_jor...@dea-mattson.com_ (mailto:jor...@dea-mattson.com) writes:
Hi Billy -
I don't have time to go over this line by line, but in my quick scan
something jumped out to me:
Kennedy voted for the fraudulent Iraq War that killed 4,000 American
soldiers and wounded 31,000 to date. He's voted against making English our
national language which ensures further Balkanization of our nation via
linguistic chaos. When a nation cannot speak to itself, it becomes fractured
and
separated.
Kennedy voted against the Iraq war. In fact he got a lot of flack for it.
If this is the level of fact checking this person is doing, then I have to
throw this piece in the circular file.
It appears that this person has a major ax to grind with Kennedy and was
prepared to blame Kennedy for every ill in society in his diatribe.
The Immigration Reform of 1965 was a long overdue and needed piece of
reform. My wife, and many of your relatives based on your self-reports on
their
country of origin, would not be here. The pre-1965 immigration laws were
racist to their core (can you say, "Exclusion Acts"). Anyone who attacks
someone or the Immigration Reform of 1965 with the language this individual
used is a nutter in my opinion.
In addition, the lack of civil language in this diatribe completely turned
me off.
Jordan
On Thu, Aug 27, 2009 at 11:45 AM, <_bil...@aol.com_ (mailto:bil...@aol.com)
> wrote:
This was written in 2008, apparently, but is worth reprinting to honor the
memory of Edward Kennedy upon his death.
We can --and should-- add more conventional tributes, He did a number
of things, supported a number of laws, that have served American well,
including welfare reform and educational reform. But this item--sent to me
by a friend-- deserves some attention a this time against a background
of round-the-clock TV adulation.
How about some necessary balance ?
Billy R
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Ted Kennedy's Deadly Legacy For America
By Frosty Wooldridge
8-27-9
_http://www.rense.com/general87/legacy.htm_
(http://www.rense.com/general87/legacy.htm)
Teddy Kennedy died yesterday, but his legacy grows more deadly for future
Americans.
Instead of a rich legacy bequeathed upon the United States by forever U.S.
Senator Teddy Kennedy, the oft-intoxicated, blubbery fourth brother of the
Kennedy clan-four decades ago--drunkenly drove over a bridge that caused
the death of Mary Jo Kopechne and lied about what happened.
But his worst and most destructive legacy for the United States stems from
his authorship of the 1965 "Immigration Reform Act" that added the bulk of
our additional 100 million people into America within 40 years. It jumped
legal immigration from 170,000 annually to 1.1 million annually. Added to
that disastrous environmental legacy, his actions provoked a complete
ethnic change of our stable society into a fractured civilization. How? He
provided for entrance of immigrants from cultures totally incompatible with
U.S. culture. He downgraded citizenship by not enforcing our laws or
maintaining educational standards.
"We are the only country in history that deliberately changed its ethnic
makeup, and history has few examples of 'diversity' creating a stable
society." Governor Richard D. Lamm
As those immigrants poured into this country, he facilitated and
languished as millions of illegal aliens marched across our borders to wreak
havoc
on our schools, communities, jobs, hospitals, language and prisons. Over
20,000 members of MS-13 gangs distribute $130 billion in drugs yearly. We pay
for 400,000 babies born to illegal alien mothers annually. We suffer 28
million Americans on food stamps because illegals downgrade wages and take
jobs from our working poor.
Kennedy single handedly planted the seeds for the destruction of our
country per the words of President Teddy Roosevelt, "The one absolutely
certain
way of bringing this nation to ruin, or preventing all possibility of its
continuing as a nation at all, would be to permit it to become a tangle of
squabbling nationalities."
How did Kennedy answer that crisis of unrelenting illegal border crossing?
He proposed, wrote and encouraged Ronald Reagan to sign the 1986
Immigration Amnesty that allowed what he said were only 1.3 million illegals.
The
true number of illegal aliens that gained instant citizenship became 4.3
million.
Later, Reagan said signing that amnesty was the worse mistake of his
presidency.
Last June, 2007, as another 20 million illegal aliens broke over U.S.
borders since 1986, Kennedy tried to give another amnesty by forcing S.B. 1639
into law with his bluster and pompous bellowing. He voted to double legal
immigration to 2.2 million annually! Kennedy remains responsible for our
$346 billion annual costs paying for illegal aliens!
In Dr. Otis Graham's "Unguarded Gates: A History of America's Immigration
Crisis", he writes, "Most Western elites continue urging the wealthy West
not to stem the migrant tide, but to absorb our global brothers and sisters
until their horrid ordeal has been endured and shared by all--ten billion
humans packed onto an ecologically devastated planet."
Kennedy voted for the fraudulent Iraq War that killed 4,000 American
soldiers and wounded 31,000 to date. He's voted against making English our
national language which ensures further Balkanization of our nation via
linguistic chaos. When a nation cannot speak to itself, it becomes fractured
and
separated.
While he battles with brain cancer, we battle for our nation's life. While
he sails his boat around Martha's Vineyard, we pick up millions of pieces
of trash on our borders from invading illegal alien hordes that he
encourages. While he tips yet another glass of wine, we struggle to maintain
our
schools, communities, hospitals and prisons from this illegal invasion.
While he sat on his barnyard wide rear-end for 40 years in the Senate creating
the problems that now destroy our nation, we watched the American Dream
turn into a nightmare.
Contrary to the editors of the Denver Post, Ted Kennedy may be likened to
Nero of Rome who fiddled while it burned. Kennedy drank while we fought for
our nation's survival. Kennedy ate at the finest tables while we struggled
with his voting for H-1B and H-2B visas that displaced millions of
American workers. Kennedy sailed his boat while our nation sank into
consequences
of a dysfunctional and unsustainable nation.
Because of Kennedy, our successful culture finds itself turning into a
foreign culture that failed, i.e., Mexico. The March PEW report shows Mexicans
in America becoming the new dominate majority by 2050 at 53 percent.
In other words, rather than serving America and our future, Senator Ted
Kennedy destroyed our America just as quickly as he took Mary Jo Kopechne's
life on a drunken night somewhere back in the 60s. As she fought for her
life in that car as the waters rose above her, he escaped.
While we struggle nostril-deep in the nightmare waters of immigration
swirling around us, we may well drown, too!
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Once again, Teddy Kennedy escapes via death while we struggle for our
nation's life.
To take action:
_www.numbersusa.com_ (http://www.numbersusa.com/)
_www.thesocialcontract.com_ (http://www.thesocialcontract.com/)
_www.fairus.org_ (http://www.fairus.org/)
_www.proenglish.org_ (http://www.proenglish.org/)
_www.capsweb.org_ (http://www.capsweb.org/)
_www.vdare.com_ (http://www.vdare.com/)
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